Abortion and religion

[Anonymous]

Contrary to popular belief, the United State of America was founded, not as a Christian country, but a country rooted in the freedom of religion.

That doesn't mean that adherents to one religion get to foist their beliefs on the rest of the country. But that is exactly what the Supreme Court is doing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

You don't get it. Abortion is being made illegal because religious extremists believe life begins at conception. That is using the state to enforce specific religious beliefs on others. The previous abortion laws that looked at the viability of the fetus were at least grounded in science or at least were not primarily religious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

If life could only be this simple. "Just use birth control".. Are you so brainwashed that you think that abortions only happen because of recklessness and people use abortion as birth control, because it's NBD? Many abortions are to married mothers, it's not impossible to have BC failure in marriage as you aren't likely to use condoms for decades, and even condoms aren't fool proof. Most rational people have no issue with very early abortions in such circumstances. Most rational people don't have huge issues with abortions at a later stage when the life of pregnant woman is in danger or if baby has severe abnormalities or fatal birth defects. With milder genetic abnormalities, some may have issues aborting (Down Syndrome babies for example) end of 1st trimester and others may not. It all depends on your deeply held beliefs, but I hope you understand that in these situations "use birth control" isn't a solution. I am not even mentioning rape, trafficking or coercion of minors, and women who are so far gone because of drug addictions or mental illness that they are unable to rationally use birth control and are taken advantage of. I have heard of some horrible cases I would love to share with you if you are willing to listen. You can understand how you are multiplying misery in this world, misery of already LIVING beings and those who are about to be born into misery. You have no idea circumstances in which many of these babies are born, but keep talking about reckless young girls not being serious about BC or selfish DINKs who want to live it up, travel, or get their careers going.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

You don't get it. Abortion is being made illegal because religious extremists believe life begins at conception. That is using the state to enforce specific religious beliefs on others. The previous abortion laws that looked at the viability of the fetus were at least grounded in science or at least were not primarily religious.

I see your point
At the same time, religious extremists are not the only ones against abortion. They do get some support from the religious communities, but not a whole lot.
In some ways the pro life movement is like a cult
If abortion was to become illegal, then the justices in the supreme court are to blame

My religious beliefs do not agree with the 3 strikes law that can be used to sentence a person to prison for 50 years just because it was his 3rd felony

But I still have freedom of religion

[Anonymous]

Here’s the thing. Southern baptists used to be okay with abortion. They felt it was a private decision between a woman and her doctor, and that there shouldn’t be laws against it. https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/baptist/sbcabres.html

Then in the 70’s, the segregated schools evangelicals created were going to lose tax exempt status, so they needed to get Carter out of office and get someone conservative in to try to slow the IRS’s roll. They couldn’t very well say, Christians, come vote to oppress black people, and they were throwing around ideas to see what would get out the vote. Abortion was the winner. Basically, anti abortion advocates were created to perpetuate racism. They killed two birds with one stone, trampling women’s rights and minorities’ rights.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/734303135/throughline-traces-evangelicals-history-on-the-abortion-issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Contrary to popular belief, the United State of America was founded, not as a Christian country, but a country rooted in the freedom of religion.

That doesn't mean that adherents to one religion get to foist their beliefs on the rest of the country. But that is exactly what the Supreme Court is doing.

EXACTLY.

Keep your religion in your pants. No need to hit me over the head with it again and again until I lose all of individual rights.

[Anonymous]

I'm not religious, no one in my family is religious, and abortion has never been about religion in my circles.

It's a question of life, individual rights and being protected as a human. We make those judgments at the end of life (such as for brain death) and we make them at the beginning as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

If life could only be this simple. "Just use birth control".. Are you so brainwashed that you think that abortions only happen because of recklessness and people use abortion as birth control, because it's NBD? Many abortions are to married mothers, it's not impossible to have BC failure in marriage as you aren't likely to use condoms for decades, and even condoms aren't fool proof. Most rational people have no issue with very early abortions in such circumstances. Most rational people don't have huge issues with abortions at a later stage when the life of pregnant woman is in danger or if baby has severe abnormalities or fatal birth defects. With milder genetic abnormalities, some may have issues aborting (Down Syndrome babies for example) end of 1st trimester and others may not. It all depends on your deeply held beliefs, but I hope you understand that in these situations "use birth control" isn't a solution. I am not even mentioning rape, trafficking or coercion of minors, and women who are so far gone because of drug addictions or mental illness that they are unable to rationally use birth control and are taken advantage of. I have heard of some horrible cases I would love to share with you if you are willing to listen. You can understand how you are multiplying misery in this world, misery of already LIVING beings and those who are about to be born into misery. You have no idea circumstances in which many of these babies are born, but keep talking about reckless young girls not being serious about BC or selfish DINKs who want to live it up, travel, or get their careers going.

DP

I'm moderate pro-life and I am either ok or understand all of this. Once again the people on the extreme are jacking things up for everyone else.

Here is my platform

1. Teach full comprehensive sex education
2. Encourage birth control which includes morning after pill
3. Health of mother trumps everything
4. With that being said generally no abortion post 8-12 weeks We live in a democracy and that should be up to states to decide. I dont support a national law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious, no one in my family is religious, and abortion has never been about religion in my circles.

It's a question of life, individual rights and being protected as a human. We make those judgments at the end of life (such as for brain death) and we make them at the beginning as well.

Your religion has defined "beginning" for you. So it is about religion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

If life could only be this simple. "Just use birth control".. Are you so brainwashed that you think that abortions only happen because of recklessness and people use abortion as birth control, because it's NBD? Many abortions are to married mothers, it's not impossible to have BC failure in marriage as you aren't likely to use condoms for decades, and even condoms aren't fool proof. Most rational people have no issue with very early abortions in such circumstances. Most rational people don't have huge issues with abortions at a later stage when the life of pregnant woman is in danger or if baby has severe abnormalities or fatal birth defects. With milder genetic abnormalities, some may have issues aborting (Down Syndrome babies for example) end of 1st trimester and others may not. It all depends on your deeply held beliefs, but I hope you understand that in these situations "use birth control" isn't a solution. I am not even mentioning rape, trafficking or coercion of minors, and women who are so far gone because of drug addictions or mental illness that they are unable to rationally use birth control and are taken advantage of. I have heard of some horrible cases I would love to share with you if you are willing to listen. You can understand how you are multiplying misery in this world, misery of already LIVING beings and those who are about to be born into misery. You have no idea circumstances in which many of these babies are born, but keep talking about reckless young girls not being serious about BC or selfish DINKs who want to live it up, travel, or get their careers going.

DP

I'm moderate pro-life and I am either ok or understand all of this. Once again the people on the extreme are jacking things up for everyone else.

Here is my platform

1. Teach full comprehensive sex education
2. Encourage birth control which includes morning after pill
3. Health of mother trumps everything
4. With that being said generally no abortion post 8-12 weeks We live in a democracy and that should be up to states to decide. I dont support a national law.

No, it should be up to women and their doctors to decide. The Commonwealth does not need to participate in my life/family planning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

If life could only be this simple. "Just use birth control".. Are you so brainwashed that you think that abortions only happen because of recklessness and people use abortion as birth control, because it's NBD? Many abortions are to married mothers, it's not impossible to have BC failure in marriage as you aren't likely to use condoms for decades, and even condoms aren't fool proof. Most rational people have no issue with very early abortions in such circumstances. Most rational people don't have huge issues with abortions at a later stage when the life of pregnant woman is in danger or if baby has severe abnormalities or fatal birth defects. With milder genetic abnormalities, some may have issues aborting (Down Syndrome babies for example) end of 1st trimester and others may not. It all depends on your deeply held beliefs, but I hope you understand that in these situations "use birth control" isn't a solution. I am not even mentioning rape, trafficking or coercion of minors, and women who are so far gone because of drug addictions or mental illness that they are unable to rationally use birth control and are taken advantage of. I have heard of some horrible cases I would love to share with you if you are willing to listen. You can understand how you are multiplying misery in this world, misery of already LIVING beings and those who are about to be born into misery. You have no idea circumstances in which many of these babies are born, but keep talking about reckless young girls not being serious about BC or selfish DINKs who want to live it up, travel, or get their careers going.

DP

I'm moderate pro-life and I am either ok or understand all of this. Once again the people on the extreme are jacking things up for everyone else.

Here is my platform

1. Teach full comprehensive sex education
2. Encourage birth control which includes morning after pill
3. Health of mother trumps everything
4. With that being said generally no abortion post 8-12 weeks We live in a democracy and that should be up to states to decide. I dont support a national law.

If only you have had a comprehensive sex education then you would know that 8-12 is basically akin to a total abortion ban when combine age, hormonal issues (PCOS), and access to healthcare, even more specifically, abortion services.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

If life could only be this simple. "Just use birth control".. Are you so brainwashed that you think that abortions only happen because of recklessness and people use abortion as birth control, because it's NBD? Many abortions are to married mothers, it's not impossible to have BC failure in marriage as you aren't likely to use condoms for decades, and even condoms aren't fool proof. Most rational people have no issue with very early abortions in such circumstances. Most rational people don't have huge issues with abortions at a later stage when the life of pregnant woman is in danger or if baby has severe abnormalities or fatal birth defects. With milder genetic abnormalities, some may have issues aborting (Down Syndrome babies for example) end of 1st trimester and others may not. It all depends on your deeply held beliefs, but I hope you understand that in these situations "use birth control" isn't a solution. I am not even mentioning rape, trafficking or coercion of minors, and women who are so far gone because of drug addictions or mental illness that they are unable to rationally use birth control and are taken advantage of. I have heard of some horrible cases I would love to share with you if you are willing to listen. You can understand how you are multiplying misery in this world, misery of already LIVING beings and those who are about to be born into misery. You have no idea circumstances in which many of these babies are born, but keep talking about reckless young girls not being serious about BC or selfish DINKs who want to live it up, travel, or get their careers going.

DP

I'm moderate pro-life and I am either ok or understand all of this. Once again the people on the extreme are jacking things up for everyone else.

Here is my platform

1. Teach full comprehensive sex education
2. Encourage birth control which includes morning after pill
3. Health of mother trumps everything
4. With that being said generally no abortion post 8-12 weeks We live in a democracy and that should be up to states to decide. I dont support a national law.

In other words, you really don’t care about women in the situations PP wrote about.
No, it should not be up to states to define human rights. Have you never opened a history book?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious, no one in my family is religious, and abortion has never been about religion in my circles.

It's a question of life, individual rights and being protected as a human. We make those judgments at the end of life (such as for brain death) and we make them at the beginning as well.

Your religion has defined "beginning" for you. So it is about religion.

I have no religion. I do have science that looks at things like the development of the brain and organs.

[Anonymous]

The only religion that holds female body autonomy and belief in science as a core tenet is The Satanic Temple so unless women start hailing Satan and contesting these new laws I doubt anything changes. This is assuming the GOP doesn't bring back burning women at the stake or seeing if you survive drowning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

If life could only be this simple. "Just use birth control".. Are you so brainwashed that you think that abortions only happen because of recklessness and people use abortion as birth control, because it's NBD? Many abortions are to married mothers, it's not impossible to have BC failure in marriage as you aren't likely to use condoms for decades, and even condoms aren't fool proof. Most rational people have no issue with very early abortions in such circumstances. Most rational people don't have huge issues with abortions at a later stage when the life of pregnant woman is in danger or if baby has severe abnormalities or fatal birth defects. With milder genetic abnormalities, some may have issues aborting (Down Syndrome babies for example) end of 1st trimester and others may not. It all depends on your deeply held beliefs, but I hope you understand that in these situations "use birth control" isn't a solution. I am not even mentioning rape, trafficking or coercion of minors, and women who are so far gone because of drug addictions or mental illness that they are unable to rationally use birth control and are taken advantage of. I have heard of some horrible cases I would love to share with you if you are willing to listen. You can understand how you are multiplying misery in this world, misery of already LIVING beings and those who are about to be born into misery. You have no idea circumstances in which many of these babies are born, but keep talking about reckless young girls not being serious about BC or selfish DINKs who want to live it up, travel, or get their careers going.

+1. I got pregnant while using 2 forms of birth control. 50% of all pregnancies are unplanned. Plus, pro-lifers are poised to ban all of the most effective forms of birth control -- pill, patch, ring, norplant, and IUD are all of the most effective forms of birth control. Barrier methods are all we will have left and their effective use rates aren't very .....effective.