Abortion and religion

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Anonymous wrote:I see protests outside Catholic Churches and I understand the Christian position is staunchly pro-life. But how come we never hear about any other religions’ stance on abortion? Is it not as prominent a topic in other religions? Do other religions have differing positions, and perhaps less political skin in the game? For example, I read that in some sects of Judaism the fetus is considered a part of the mother, and a “person” begins a birth (paraphrasing). And potentially, does the scotus overturn of RvW (and the GOP running with it) run some non-Christian religious voters the wrong way? I guess another way to put it is….is the pro-life Christian vote that big that it’s worth throwing all eggs in that basket (McConnell I’m lookin at you…)?

Jewish tradition cherishes the sanctity of life, including the potential of life during pregnancy, but does not believe that personhood and human rights begin with conception, but rather with birth as indicated by Exodus 21:22-23. Jewish teachings in the Torah and Talmud support the (Jewish legal) necessity of access to abortion. Judaism has a very nuanced view of abortion and is much more flexible and lenient in it's interpretations of when an abortion is not just allowed but an actual obligation. If a mothers life is endangered physically or emotionally by a pregnancy's her life takes precedence over that of a fetus. Having access to safe and legal abortion is a religious issue and one that should be decided by a women, her doctor and religious advisor when requested, not by the government. Most Jews see any restrictions on abortion as an infringement of their religious rights to observe and have the freedom to practice their religion which is different then Evangelical Christianity.

This poster is correct. Also, there is a lot of mental gymnastics in the Jewish religious space right now because (for all kinds of sociological reasons) a lot of the Orthodox population identifies as Republican/conservative (in truth, I think many are in the more liberterian camp), with a lot of influential leadership that has cast its lot with the christian evangelical right. It is a big issue because Jewish law does not align with the christian right on this issue.

further reading:
https://jewishinsider.com/2022/05/supreme-court-abortion-ruling-jewish-groups/

Yes as a Jew this makes me beyond mad.

Orthodox Jews are literally destroying us. How do they not remember "never forget". They are a cult pure and simple UGH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any Christian who does not speak out against the extremism is guilty. Silence makes you complicit. Full stop.

So you single out people by religion?
How about any person who does not speak out?

I might even be in the minority, but Christian churches do not preach politics and leave the vote issue to the individual

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see protests outside Catholic Churches and I understand the Christian position is staunchly pro-life. But how come we never hear about any other religions’ stance on abortion? Is it not as prominent a topic in other religions? Do other religions have differing positions, and perhaps less political skin in the game? For example, I read that in some sects of Judaism the fetus is considered a part of the mother, and a “person” begins a birth (paraphrasing). And potentially, does the scotus overturn of RvW (and the GOP running with it) run some non-Christian religious voters the wrong way? I guess another way to put it is….is the pro-life Christian vote that big that it’s worth throwing all eggs in that basket (McConnell I’m lookin at you…)?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any Christian who does not speak out against the extremism is guilty. Silence makes you complicit. Full stop.

So you single out people by religion?
How about any person who does not speak out?

I might even be in the minority, but Christian churches do not preach politics and leave the vote issue to the individual

Excuse me, what?

[Anonymous]

I have no idea who that preacher is. He is not a spokesperson for christians in America
With the exception of a few outliers that you know about, churches are apolitical

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea who that preacher is. He is not a spokesperson for christians in America
With the exception of a few outliers that you know about, churches are apolitical

Locke leads a church with enough members to make him worth a hundred million dollars.

Also here’s the US Conference of Catholic Bishops.
https://www.usccb.org/prolife/abortion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea who that preacher is. He is not a spokesperson for christians in America
With the exception of a few outliers that you know about, churches are apolitical

Who is a “spokesperson for Christians in America”? Billy Graham’s kid, maybe?
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2022/may/lsquo-it-rsquo-s-murder-rsquo-franklin-graham-joins-fellow-christians-in-decrying-biden-rsquo-s-use-of-lsquo-god-rsquo-to-defend-abortion-rights

Jerry Falwell’s kid, perhaps?
https://www.wsls.com/news/2019/01/31/jerry-falwell-jr-liberty-council-release-statements-on-virginias-abortion-bill/?outputType=amp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea who that preacher is. He is not a spokesperson for christians in America
With the exception of a few outliers that you know about, churches are apolitical

Are you kidding?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea who that preacher is. He is not a spokesperson for christians in America
With the exception of a few outliers that you know about, churches are apolitical

Hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All Christians demonitions do not have the same excessive focus on abortion as the Catholicism and Southern Baptists do. Do not place mainstream Protestant Churches in the same catergory as those two.

I'm a Protestant, and my church is in favor of women's personal choice on abortion. I'm very pro-choice (vocally and vehemently), and that's not a problem with my church at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All Christians demonitions do not have the same excessive focus on abortion as the Catholicism and Southern Baptists do. Do not place mainstream Protestant Churches in the same catergory as those two.

I'm a Protestant, and my church is in favor of women's personal choice on abortion. I'm very pro-choice (vocally and vehemently), and that's not a problem with my church at all.

You can’t just absolve yourself of responsibility because YOUR specific church is x,y or z. People are harming innocent people in the name of your God amd religion. You can’t just sit back and watch and claim innocence.

[Anonymous]

I am a practicing Catholic; I oppose abortion in most cases and I will not apologize for this.

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Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

While I totally believe that what is described is unconstitutional, here’s the problem: who would ultimately hear such a case? Yes, the same Supreme Court that has acted unconstitutionally in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Sadly, we no longer have a Supreme Court that will uphold the rights of other religions and of those who are not wealthy.

The trick is even getting to SCOTUS. If you don't have deeply held religious beliefs about when life begins and the legality of abortion (most people trust science on this not religion) then I'm not sure how you fight against the Christian Right.

Jews and Muslims actually do have long-standing and deeply-held beliefs about abortion that would not comply with a number of the state-level laws being passed by Republicans.

+1 Doesn't Jewish faith hold that life begins at birth, with the first breath taken?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a practicing Catholic; I oppose abortion in most cases and I will not apologize for this.

You oppose women having the ability to make the best decisions for themselves and their families?

Why do you think it’s ok for you to force your religious beliefs on others?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any Christian who does not speak out against the extremism is guilty. Silence makes you complicit. Full stop.

Does this apply to Muslims as well? Do they also take on special responsibilities, beyond a non-religious person, to "speak out" about things or be lumped in?