Abortion and religion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

It is not Christianity. Focus your criticism on Southern Baptists and right wing Catholics, particularly the Catholic Bishops.

Every church pushing pro-life political activism from the pulpit is an issue. Sorry, that includes many Catholic churches.

Time to get serious about treating them as political organizations and tax their donations appropriately.

This. Once any church lobby (whatever religion) decides to sponsor our politicians and propaganda talking-heads to forward their very specific religious agenda to alter behaviors of general population in compliance with this church's rules and traditions they are no longer exempt. They are indeed political organizations and must be taxed as such.

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I don’t understand why they’ve been allowed to skate this long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

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Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

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Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

Nice try, fundie. No one here is buying what you're trying to sell, and you're not nearly as clever with words as you think you are. You're just wrong.

[Anonymous]

My religion teaches it is wrong to bring a baby into the world when doing so will cause it to suffer great pain before dying a few weeks after birth. I live in Texas where all abortion is banned. I believe being forced to give birth in these circumstances violatesmy religious liberty.

[Anonymous]

The religious component of pro-life is the belief that life starts before birth or, as some extreme denominations now believe, at fertilization. These assertions are not backed up by science or even non-religious custom or tradition. They are purely religious in nature and will be what is challenged by the pro-choice crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

Hmm, and we never ever did anything similar to this in the USA to other groups?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The religious component of pro-life is the belief that life starts before birth or, as some extreme denominations now believe, at fertilization. These assertions are not backed up by science or even non-religious custom or tradition. They are purely religious in nature and will be what is challenged by the pro-choice crowd.

Yup. Depriving me of healthcare because of your religious beliefs infringes on my religious freedom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

[Anonymous]

Catholicism is popular in liberal parts of the US, making it an easier target than Southern Baptist churches located in conservative areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

It has to do with the freedom of deeply held beliefs. If my deeply held belief is that life begins at a time we have technology to incubate the baby and safely extract the baby, then I don't believe that younger fetus has personhood and therefore doesn't enjoy the same protection of the law as a human being already born. This is about law of when someone is protected legally, but this is also about beliefs, because objective reality doesn't hold true that every conception results in birth or every fetus getting a heartbeat becomes a human being born into this world.

[Anonymous]

A tadpole isn't a frog. A blastocyst, zygote, embryo, or fetus isn't a human.

What is it about human life that we find particularly valuable? Is it the mere biological fact of being alive and having the correct number of chromosomes? Is it something about self-awareness? Is it because of a soul? Something else?

I think whatever the answer, it's going to ultimately differ quite a bit from person to person and not have the sort of consensus or logical basis that justifies using the police powers of the State to coerce a person's reproductive choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

[Anonymous]

Because Evangelical and Catholic Christians tend to be the most strict when it comes to female reproductive health.

For example, a fetus does not have a soul until 120 days. And while some people consider abortion always a "sin," many Muslims consider abortion pre-120 days considerably more acceptable since it doesn't yet have a soul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

What are you talking about?
You have freedom of religion. You are not oppressed
Mormons and JW's have a right to recruit new members, as do country clubs and gyms

Sure.. they just don't have a right to form a government that would govern us all - those who don't belong and don't want to belong to their religion. There is this pesky thing: separation of church and state. When government starts enforcing the laws of some specific religion.. what happens to all other citizens who aren't its loyal followers? They lose their freedoms.

What you are referring to is off topic
Nobody is banning or restricting your freedom to practice your religion
A law about abortion has nothing to do with religios freedoms.
Perhaps what you are referring to is the influence of religion in today's American politics. That is very different from having a kaxk of religious freedom.

Religious freedom was curbed in Soviet union. People had to congregate in secret, people were imprisoned for being Sunday school teachers. Secret police tried to crack down on babtisms, you lost your job if it was found out you believed in God

You are, actually forcing your religion on everyone else. My religion doesn’t have problems with abortion. The wing nut justices are establishing a state religion - which was their goal and you know it.

This. PP says that people are free to practice their religions, what if someone's religion has different rules and tenets with respect to reproduction? What if one is an atheist/agnostic? If you don't hold a sincere belief that life begins at conception will you be exempt from draconian anti-abortion laws? Not really in the states where abortion will be outlawed. Even if in their mind they ARE NOT murdering the baby when they get an abortion, they are still persecuted as criminals because their state government decides so. Do they decide based on objective facts of reality where a lot of embryos are non viable, where we don't have tech to incubate babies before 20 weeks, where we cannot fix severe genetic defects that would kill the baby upon birth or a few painful years later? No, these decisions are based on the tenets of some specific religious group, and hence, everyone in this state regardless of objective reality or their religious beliefs has to obey these rules.

Then for goodness sake, use birth control
I still do not see how your health is an issue of religious freedom. You are not loosing your right to practice any religion

You are just living under a law you do not believe agrees with your religion.
There are plenty of laws that do not match religion directly

Try to look at it this way:

Pro-choice does not force women to have an abortion or do anything in the affirmative whatsoever. You can live life strongly opposed to abortion and never get one and even try to convince others not to if you are simply using your right to free speech.

On the other hand, making abortion illegal does in fact force many women to act against her own beliefs and decisions. There is no way for a woman to practice bodily autonomy at that point. Therefor you are imposing your religious beliefs on the public at large while pro-choice advocates are not doing the same.