Abortion and religion

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and when we’re on the topic of what Jewish law/the Torah says about these sorts of things, let’s establish one more thing: while the Torah describes marital sex as holy, it does not condemn premarital sex. In fact, Judaism does not consider sexual desires to be sinful. It considers them a part of basic carnal needs, just like hunger, thirst, etc.

Premarital sex is sexual immorality, fornication
Adultery is married people sleeping around
Unmarried do not get a free pass

so sex is just for procreation?

According to the 3 religions mentioned here, only inside marriage
And a bride better be a virgin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

Is it ok to find Muslims or Jewish folks completely reprehensible and disgusting?

DP... kind of a false comparison as Muslims and Jews aren't trying to take over our government and force their worldview on us. That'd be right wing Christians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who is part of a Judeo-Christian religion and who claims religious support for a pro-life position should remember that Jewish law dictates that an unborn child is not a life. Life does not begin until birth. As such, Jewish law requires that, if the life of the mother is in danger, the fetus must be aborted. Jewish law does not condemn abortion in any way, shape, or form.

So, since Judaism is the original Judeo-Christian religion, pro-lifers need to contend with the reality that they have changed the law from what Judaism established. There is a strong argument to be made that abortion bans violate Jews’ religious freedom.

They changed it in the late 1800s no less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but I've always been pretty against elective abortion but from a science view. Can Christians help me: what is the biblical support for being against abortions? I've heard that there's nothing really specific in the Bible about abortion. Is that true?

It's not Biblical. In fact, you can find support for abortion in the Bible. Much of religion is more philosophical than Biblical. The primary question on this debated among theologians is when does the soul enter a body? Is there a soul in a collection of cells that cannot survive or grow or become anything at all outside the host body? For most of history the answer was no. Much debate over when - quickening, first breath? Others have theorized that the egg and sperm have souls that combine to be come fully human (pretty much no one agrees with that, but it did lead to one of the funnier songs in Monty Python's, Life of Brian, "Every Sperm is Sacred."). Of course, no one can ever know, so Pope Pius decided to go along with the theists who have said, since we can't know, it is morally safest to err on the side of conception. Many Popes and other theologians did not agree with him at all, so he also added that the Pope has the last word on everything to end debate. Obviously, theologians of many faiths, including Catholics and other Christians, still disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but I've always been pretty against elective abortion but from a science view. Can Christians help me: what is the biblical support for being against abortions? I've heard that there's nothing really specific in the Bible about abortion. Is that true?

It's not Biblical. In fact, you can find support for abortion in the Bible. Much of religion is more philosophical than Biblical. The primary question on this debated among theologians is when does the soul enter a body? Is there a soul in a collection of cells that cannot survive or grow or become anything at all outside the host body? For most of history the answer was no. Much debate over when - quickening, first breath? Others have theorized that the egg and sperm have souls that combine to be come fully human (pretty much no one agrees with that, but it did lead to one of the funnier songs in Monty Python's, Life of Brian, "Every Sperm is Sacred."). Of course, no one can ever know, so Pope Pius decided to go along with the theists who have said, since we can't know, it is morally safest to err on the side of conception. Many Popes and other theologians did not agree with him at all, so he also added that the Pope has the last word on everything to end debate. Obviously, theologians of many faiths, including Catholics and other Christians, still disagree.

It isn’t really religious. It’s just a useful tool for the backlash against progress and the counterculture movements of the 60s and 70s. It’s bigotry and patriarchy wanting to put women and Blacks and gays back in their subservient places. Abortion turned out to be effective at capturing the evangelical churches that expanded significantly from racists leaving the mainline denominations that supported civil rights. It’s a perfect issue for them. They can pose as self-righteous morality warriors without having to give a shit about any of living people that they hate.

[Anonymous]

I don't give a crap about what any religion feels about abortion. That is not how laws and our society should be decided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but I've always been pretty against elective abortion but from a science view. Can Christians help me: what is the biblical support for being against abortions? I've heard that there's nothing really specific in the Bible about abortion. Is that true?

It's not Biblical. In fact, you can find support for abortion in the Bible. Much of religion is more philosophical than Biblical. The primary question on this debated among theologians is when does the soul enter a body? Is there a soul in a collection of cells that cannot survive or grow or become anything at all outside the host body? For most of history the answer was no. Much debate over when - quickening, first breath? Others have theorized that the egg and sperm have souls that combine to be come fully human (pretty much no one agrees with that, but it did lead to one of the funnier songs in Monty Python's, Life of Brian, "Every Sperm is Sacred."). Of course, no one can ever know, so Pope Pius decided to go along with the theists who have said, since we can't know, it is morally safest to err on the side of conception. Many Popes and other theologians did not agree with him at all, so he also added that the Pope has the last word on everything to end debate. Obviously, theologians of many faiths, including Catholics and other Christians, still disagree.

It isn’t really religious. It’s just a useful tool for the backlash against progress and the counterculture movements of the 60s and 70s. It’s bigotry and patriarchy wanting to put women and Blacks and gays back in their subservient places. Abortion turned out to be effective at capturing the evangelical churches that expanded significantly from racists leaving the mainline denominations that supported civil rights. It’s a perfect issue for them. They can pose as self-righteous morality warriors without having to give a shit about any of living people that they hate.

Yes, this.
I'm Christian (Methodist). I'm pro-choice. I don’t feel in conflict here.

[Anonymous]

this is normal

Understand, at some point, everyone other than the 7,000 oligarch class will be victims of the Leopard Eating Face Party.

[Anonymous]

I don't give a damn about religion and abortion. Abortion is medical care and religion has no part in the medical care I receive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All Christians demonitions do not have the same excessive focus on abortion as the Catholicism and Southern Baptists do. Do not place mainstream Protestant Churches in the same catergory as those two.

southern baptist didn't have any stance on this at all in the 70s. but then realized it could be a good culture war issue so took a pro life stance around 1980

[Anonymous]

Religion is useless. I wish people would stop pushing it in government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh and when we’re on the topic of what Jewish law/the Torah says about these sorts of things, let’s establish one more thing: while the Torah describes marital sex as holy, it does not condemn premarital sex. In fact, Judaism does not consider sexual desires to be sinful. It considers them a part of basic carnal needs, just like hunger, thirst, etc.

Premarital sex is sexual immorality, fornication
Adultery is married people sleeping around
Unmarried do not get a free pass

so sex is just for procreation?

According to the 3 religions mentioned here, only inside marriage
And a bride better be a virgin

But I dont live according to those religions, why should laws reflect them and not my ethics/morals? This is the whole point about separation of church and state. The laws should not reflect one or even just a few religious viewpoints. No one should have to live by Catholic doctrine besides Catholics and no one Catholic should be beholden to Protestant dogma.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

Is it ok to find Muslims or Jewish folks completely reprehensible and disgusting?

DP... kind of a false comparison as Muslims and Jews aren't trying to take over our government and force their worldview on us. That'd be right wing Christians.

Well Muslims and Jews aren't trying to force their religion down every American's throat. Remember the Christian fear over Sharia Law? Looks like the boogeyman is... themselves. Shocking. Truly.

[Anonymous]

Lots of persinally held beliefs become law, regs, orders, policies Belief in God and the 10 commandments are not the only beliefs held by the public.

When people stop legislating, ordering etc their beliefs about whats right and whats wrong, lemme know

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

Is it ok to find Muslims or Jewish folks completely reprehensible and disgusting?

DP... kind of a false comparison as Muslims and Jews aren't trying to take over our government and force their worldview on us. That'd be right wing Christians.

Well Muslims and Jews aren't trying to force their religion down every American's throat. Remember the Christian fear over Sharia Law? Looks like the boogeyman is... themselves. Shocking. Truly.

Every accusation is projection.