Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.
That’s quite the definition of underdog.
The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.
I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.
+1
Exactly.
Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.
I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...
Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.
Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...
The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?
Uncle Sam, back at it again!
Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)
[b]Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?
The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.
Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.
This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)
Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?
I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:
Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)
And
Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.
Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.
Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.
Again, let’s establish something:
Israel created Hamas. Then Israel empowered Hamas.
I guess that was a bad idea.
Sorry, you can’t pretend that Israel is a good faith actor or that the Palestinians, as a people, have been treated fairly or that history began on October 7. It just doesn’t work that way! The history is there for people to figure out.
This is a blatant and complete distortion. Israel did not create Hamas. This is the skewed statements that suggest your bias against Israel and implicit statement that Israeli deaths and kidnappings are their fault is atrocious.
Israel wants to exist. That is all. It is Hamas that wants to destroy it and before Hamas other Palestinian regimes. If there was no aggression against Israel, there would be no aggression from Israel.
So simple, right?! But to exist Israel keeps its boot on the throat of millions.
Hamas keeps its boot on the throat of millions. Hamas. Israel has a right to protect itself and to seek out the terrorists who attacked them and to recover 200+ kidnapped men, women, and children.
Again, this is decades of attacks upon Israel. Decades. And yet the anti-Israel contingent suggests that Israel should never respond. Why? Because they don’t care if Israel exists? Why? Because they hate Jews and want to pretend as if Jews never existed in this land even though they precede Muslims and Christians.
The should respond. They did. They killed more Palestinians than the Israelis kill. Now they should pause and ask for peace talks and be open to what conditions allowed for the original attacks.
The goal is to get rid of Hamas. That is what they are doing.
The Israelis have destroyed north Gaza with the full active support of the US. There is no way anyone can can live there. This is Netanyahu’s wet dream. Next up Bibi the US attack Hezbollah and Iran. Mr. Magoo(Biden) is all in.
After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Nope. That’s not what I’m saying. I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I think Israel had no “good” choices. I think Hamas started a war and Israel is finishing it.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
Should they have decided to negotiate with Hamas instead?
Here’s what Hamas thinks of negotiations:
“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.
And what will a ceasefire accomplish?
One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.
I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.
So your plan is for the IDF to go into Gaza and do humanitarian work?
Do you think Hamas will just step aside and let them do it?
The IDF is incapable of doing humanitarian work. They would round up and shoot civilians. It’s all part of their plan.
So who is going to go in and improve the situation?
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.
And what will a ceasefire accomplish?
One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.
I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.
So your plan is for the IDF to go into Gaza and do humanitarian work?
Do you think Hamas will just step aside and let them do it?
Why do you ask questions and then respond by putting words in my mouth?
Hamas has to be dealt with. There is zero reason to believe that the current campaign will solve the Hamas problem for Israel (and the Palestinians).
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.
And what will a ceasefire accomplish?
One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.
I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.
So your plan is for the IDF to go into Gaza and do humanitarian work?
Do you think Hamas will just step aside and let them do it?
Why do you ask questions and then respond by putting words in my mouth?
Hamas has to be dealt with. There is zero reason to believe that the current campaign will solve the Hamas problem for Israel (and the Palestinians).
DP. Oh well, I think there is much reason to believe Hamas is done for.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.
And what will a ceasefire accomplish?
One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.
I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.
So your plan is for the IDF to go into Gaza and do humanitarian work?
Do you think Hamas will just step aside and let them do it?
Why do you ask questions and then respond by putting words in my mouth?
Hamas has to be dealt with. There is zero reason to believe that the current campaign will solve the Hamas problem for Israel (and the Palestinians).
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.
And what will a ceasefire accomplish?
One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.
I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.
So your plan is for the IDF to go into Gaza and do humanitarian work?
Do you think Hamas will just step aside and let them do it?
The IDF is incapable of doing humanitarian work. They would round up and shoot civilians. It’s all part of their plan.
So who is going to go in and improve the situation?
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Israel is not the good guy. They have a long history of killing Palestinians because they think they are racially superior. You can not say Oct 7 is the start of this. This is what Israel has done since it was created- killing Palestinians and take their land.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Israel is not the good guy. They have a long history of killing Palestinians because they think they are racially superior. You can not say Oct 7 is the start of this. This is what Israel has done since it was created- killing Palestinians and take their land.
If the history of this conflict could be summarized in one short angry paragraph, we wouldn’t be here now. You have a child’s understanding of the situation.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Israel is not the good guy. They have a long history of killing Palestinians because they think they are racially superior. You can not say Oct 7 is the start of this. This is what Israel has done since it was created- killing Palestinians and take their land.
Is Hamas the good guy? Does there need to be a good guy?
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Nope. That’s not what I’m saying. I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I think Israel had no “good” choices. I think Hamas started a war and Israel is finishing it.
Oh Israel has and has had great options but at each fork of the road Israel chooses kill Palestinians.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.
And what will a ceasefire accomplish?
One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.
I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.
So your plan is for the IDF to go into Gaza and do humanitarian work?
Do you think Hamas will just step aside and let them do it?
The IDF is incapable of doing humanitarian work. They would round up and shoot civilians. It’s all part of their plan.
This is such an atrocious lie. It’s beyond hyperbole - it’s disgusting misinformation.
Never, unlike, Hamas has IDF “rounded up civilians” and executed them. Or raped them. Or beheaded children. Or kidnapped infants.
You must be just sipping your coffee and trolling. So gross.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Nope. That’s not what I’m saying. I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I think Israel had no “good” choices. I think Hamas started a war and Israel is finishing it.
Oh Israel has and has had great options but at each fork of the road Israel chooses kill Palestinians.
Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland
BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza. And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.
Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?
This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?
Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?
You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.
That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.
No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.
So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.
Nope. That’s not what I’m saying. I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I think Israel had no “good” choices. I think Hamas started a war and Israel is finishing it.
Oh Israel has and has had great options but at each fork of the road Israel chooses kill Palestinians.
Enlighten us then. What should they have done on 10/8?
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