4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

If this was true then everyone who commits horrific murders is found not guilty by reason of insanity. Some people are sane and just evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s ironic that so many people are claiming it was the parents’ responsibility to get their 28 year old help, but on basically every other thread people post that parenting is basically done st 18, definitely at 21, and parents who are still involved parents to a 20 something are told to land the helicopter.

There is someone here blaming the parents for his actions. Perhaps they have a child with similar behavior and what to think that their parenting style will prevent this from happening to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

But he has to have normalcy to stalk and plan out these murders, which it appears he was more than capable of doing. I would even submit he enjoyed the idea of planning these murders. Not everyone has to be mentally ill to hurt others, even as brutal as these murders are described. This MAN was not mentally ill, he just thinks he's smarter than everyone else, including those "stupid" victims. Not buying he is mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The picture emerging is pretty 'typical'. I was listening to a news reporter who spoke to two of his aunts. One hadn't even heard yet that Bryan had been arrested but when told that he as the suspect, the aunt wasn't particularly suprised.

The picture emerging is of a man who has been seen as odd and weird since he was a child, usually socially excluded and unable to read social cues or understand reasons for social rejection. Many rigid and odd anxieties and obsessions and compulsions. Has emotional meltdowns and struggles to regulate his emotions. According to aunts, not that different from his father. Becomes an adult and similar struggles continue but with greater stakes - women find him creepy now vs weird, he still doesn't understand cues, continues to have rigid behaviour, he lost 100 pounds and now has extremely controlled and rigid eating habits etc.


Rejected. Excluded. Feels misunderstood and unfairly disliked. Misses social cues. Rigid thinking. Difficulting regulating emotions - probably particularly anger...

There are countless people like this who aren’t murders.

True, but almost all mass murderers are like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

If this was true then everyone who commits horrific murders is found not guilty by reason of insanity. Some people are sane and just evil.

Not true. You can absolutely be mentally ill/have a mental heath diagnosis and not meet the threshold of criminally insane. Criminally insane and mentally ill are not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

He is one sick dude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s ironic that so many people are claiming it was the parents’ responsibility to get their 28 year old help, but on basically every other thread people post that parenting is basically done st 18, definitely at 21, and parents who are still involved parents to a 20 something are told to land the helicopter.

There is someone here blaming the parents for his actions. Perhaps they have a child with similar behavior and what to think that their parenting style will prevent this from happening to them.

I think it is more parents having children with those behaviors, but are in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The picture emerging is pretty 'typical'. I was listening to a news reporter who spoke to two of his aunts. One hadn't even heard yet that Bryan had been arrested but when told that he as the suspect, the aunt wasn't particularly suprised.

The picture emerging is of a man who has been seen as odd and weird since he was a child, usually socially excluded and unable to read social cues or understand reasons for social rejection. Many rigid and odd anxieties and obsessions and compulsions. Has emotional meltdowns and struggles to regulate his emotions. According to aunts, not that different from his father. Becomes an adult and similar struggles continue but with greater stakes - women find him creepy now vs weird, he still doesn't understand cues, continues to have rigid behaviour, he lost 100 pounds and now has extremely controlled and rigid eating habits etc.


Rejected. Excluded. Feels misunderstood and unfairly disliked. Misses social cues. Rigid thinking. Difficulting regulating emotions - probably particularly anger...

+1

He was said to have anger outbursts from a young age. Difficulty regulating his emotions, on top of what you listed - only gets worse with age, not better, without proper intervention.

[Anonymous]

We have no idea what interventions he did or did not have.

His life actually got better at some point: it sounds like he was a heroin addict as a teenager and then went on to graduate (about 5 years behind schedule) from community college, 4 year university, a master's program and start a PhD.
Righting the course like this is EXTREMELY rare for someone who does heroin at an early age. I'd hazard a guess that his mom was really supportive. It's nearly impossible to pull yourself up like this from heroin use without significant external support.
As to why he fell into heroin at a young age? I grew up in a rural town where heroin use in endemic and it touches every kind of kid and family. (there by the grace of God do I....)

Clearly this guy is evil/sick/perverse but I wouldn't place the blame on his parents; if anything his life trajectory indicates that they were involved. Someone was involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

And that is not normal. Being a psychopath or a sociopath IS a mental illness/disorder.

[Anonymous]

My father tells everyone he is bipolar. Even takes meds. He is just a sociopath and pathological liar. I don't consider him mentally ill. Just evil. His therapist agrees. Personality disorders are very difficult to treat so "mentally ill" doesn't necessarily mean treatable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

How can we hold them responsible then if they were simply born this way. You present it as a life long condition - they had no choice other than to be who they are. Just born to be a person who hurts others. We can't hold people responsible for who they were when they were born.

I disagree. When you work backwards, you often see a pattern and a sequence of sitautiond that describe why they are they way they are.