4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

People with mental illnesses tend to be disproportionally the victims of violence, not perpetrators. And the people who come off as "weird" to a lot of people tend to be people with some level of autism. "Weird" doesn't equal dangerous. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be quite charming and socially adept.

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I'm so damn tired of people trying to explain away violent men. No, it's not mental illness. No, it's not because they were bullied. It's because they felt entitled to slaughter other humans due to their own fragility. That's it.

Enjoy this study:

https://www.livescience.com/38612-childhood-bullying-criminal-delinquency.html

[Anonymous]

Where is the evidence for bullying beyond one classmate's questionable claims? That was the "known thing" at the time about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and it was not true. And how does high school bullying explain murders 10 years later?

His family is not to blame. There is nothing you can force a 28-year-old to do. Some people are broken in a way that mental health treatment cannot fix aside from giving others in their orbit techniques to avoid and escape them (psychopathy, personality disorders). Cho Seung Hui's family knew he was messed up and got him help as a child and it made no difference in his adult actions at all. Jared Loughner's family tried as well, and so did his college, and it didn't help. This man's actions are his responsibility alone.

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Anonymous wrote:He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

He was trying to lose weight because he was bullied. Are any of the PPs trying to tell me that his parents could not get him on a food/exercise regimen? Even if his family didn't have insurance ('cause I know y'all just waiting to make excuses for this BS) his parents could have easily....y'know, parented......and helped their son with his weight and then later, his drug problem. I don't even know where to start with this. It simply didn't have to happen. It did not have to end this way.

I feel like some of you are neglecting your kids, just because you actually want to play out some drama. If it's not you, don't worry about it. But if it is you, get help - for you and your child.

Who resorts to heroin for weight loss? I have struggled with my weight ever since I can remember, but you damn well better be sure my parents would rather have killed me than watching me shoot heroin to lose weight.

Who are these people trying to defend him and saying his parents were helpless? Were they deaf dumb and blind?

They failed on so many levels. They had so many opportunities to help their son and they just threw up their hands. No excuse. None.

You cling to this because you need to believe that something could have been done, that a diagnosis or treatment or intervention could have prevented this. Otherwise, it would be senseless, and random and tragic and could happen to someone you love.

You’re wrong, but I get it.

I'm not clinging to anything - I am looking at all the mass murders we have had, by people who look very much like this guy.

Open your eyes.

This was not a mass murder. The psychology of someone who stabs people to death in their home and the psychology of someone who shoots people from some distance in public are very, very different.

And you are seriously misinformed about the scope of parental ability to “get help” for an adult with serious mental health problems. Whether he is one or not, who knows—but either way, you’re wrong about what it is possible to do about it.

You don't know a damn thing about me, so stop trying to pretend.

As a minor, his parents could get him help. As an adult, he could have been committed as a danger to himself or another - plenty of people are coming forward to talk about what type of person he is and was. There have been plenty of opportunities for him to get help.

Stop it with your head in the sand BS.

I know what you’re saying here, and it’s wrong. I guess you could know the truth and be running around saying wrong ish for fun? But with every post you are making it clearer that you have no idea at all what it is like to try to get psychiatric help for a non-consenting patient.

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I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

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Anonymous wrote:He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

He was trying to lose weight because he was bullied. Are any of the PPs trying to tell me that his parents could not get him on a food/exercise regimen? Even if his family didn't have insurance ('cause I know y'all just waiting to make excuses for this BS) his parents could have easily....y'know, parented......and helped their son with his weight and then later, his drug problem. I don't even know where to start with this. It simply didn't have to happen. It did not have to end this way.

I feel like some of you are neglecting your kids, just because you actually want to play out some drama. If it's not you, don't worry about it. But if it is you, get help - for you and your child.

Who resorts to heroin for weight loss? I have struggled with my weight ever since I can remember, but you damn well better be sure my parents would rather have killed me than watching me shoot heroin to lose weight.

Who are these people trying to defend him and saying his parents were helpless? Were they deaf dumb and blind?

They failed on so many levels. They had so many opportunities to help their son and they just threw up their hands. No excuse. None.

You think his parents could have prevented this by helping him get fit? If only life were that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

People with mental illnesses tend to be disproportionally the victims of violence, not perpetrators. And the people who come off as "weird" to a lot of people tend to be people with some level of autism. "Weird" doesn't equal dangerous. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be quite charming and socially adept.

+1

I'm so damn tired of people trying to explain away violent men. No, it's not mental illness. No, it's not because they were bullied. It's because they felt entitled to slaughter other humans due to their own fragility. That's it.

Enjoy this study:

https://www.livescience.com/38612-childhood-bullying-criminal-delinquency.html

Okay, so - from this article - assuming bullying is actually bullying (too many parents call it that, when the kid really just needs professional help):

"The results suggest bullying is particularly detrimental early in development.

"There are certainly prevention programs out there, for schools and parents, and if you don't deal with these problems early, they could turn into bigger problems," Turner said. "Early prevention is always a better outlook." "

So, it is up to the parents.

Yes, I agree that some people are born evil. There is enough of that around. But for many, early intervention ie: the parents hiring outside help - is key.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

He was trying to lose weight because he was bullied. Are any of the PPs trying to tell me that his parents could not get him on a food/exercise regimen? Even if his family didn't have insurance ('cause I know y'all just waiting to make excuses for this BS) his parents could have easily....y'know, parented......and helped their son with his weight and then later, his drug problem. I don't even know where to start with this. It simply didn't have to happen. It did not have to end this way.

I feel like some of you are neglecting your kids, just because you actually want to play out some drama. If it's not you, don't worry about it. But if it is you, get help - for you and your child.

Who resorts to heroin for weight loss? I have struggled with my weight ever since I can remember, but you damn well better be sure my parents would rather have killed me than watching me shoot heroin to lose weight.

Who are these people trying to defend him and saying his parents were helpless? Were they deaf dumb and blind?

They failed on so many levels. They had so many opportunities to help their son and they just threw up their hands. No excuse. None.

You cling to this because you need to believe that something could have been done, that a diagnosis or treatment or intervention could have prevented this. Otherwise, it would be senseless, and random and tragic and could happen to someone you love.

You’re wrong, but I get it.

I'm not clinging to anything - I am looking at all the mass murders we have had, by people who look very much like this guy.

Open your eyes.

This was not a mass murder. The psychology of someone who stabs people to death in their home and the psychology of someone who shoots people from some distance in public are very, very different.

And you are seriously misinformed about the scope of parental ability to “get help” for an adult with serious mental health problems. Whether he is one or not, who knows—but either way, you’re wrong about what it is possible to do about it.

You don't know a damn thing about me, so stop trying to pretend.

As a minor, his parents could get him help. As an adult, he could have been committed as a danger to himself or another - plenty of people are coming forward to talk about what type of person he is and was. There have been plenty of opportunities for him to get help.

Stop it with your head in the sand BS.

I know what you’re saying here, and it’s wrong. I guess you could know the truth and be running around saying wrong ish for fun? But with every post you are making it clearer that you have no idea at all what it is like to try to get psychiatric help for a non-consenting patient.

Unfortunately, I do know.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the evidence for bullying beyond one classmate's questionable claims? That was the "known thing" at the time about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and it was not true. And how does high school bullying explain murders 10 years later?

His family is not to blame. There is nothing you can force a 28-year-old to do. Some people are broken in a way that mental health treatment cannot fix aside from giving others in their orbit techniques to avoid and escape them (psychopathy, personality disorders). Cho Seung Hui's family knew he was messed up and got him help as a child and it made no difference in his adult actions at all. Jared Loughner's family tried as well, and so did his college, and it didn't help. This man's actions are his responsibility alone.

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I have an issue with parents who, while they claim their child is "bullied" - refuse to get them professional help. Too many parents use "bullying" as an excuse, but refuse to parent.

At some point, most of us were bullied. We don't go out and murder people.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

People with mental illnesses tend to be disproportionally the victims of violence, not perpetrators. And the people who come off as "weird" to a lot of people tend to be people with some level of autism. "Weird" doesn't equal dangerous. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be quite charming and socially adept.

+1

I'm so damn tired of people trying to explain away violent men. No, it's not mental illness. No, it's not because they were bullied. It's because they felt entitled to slaughter other humans due to their own fragility. That's it.

90% of mass shooters are fatherless.

Cite please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness absolutey can be a contributing factor towards acting violent. It isn't causative, it can be contributing. Mental illness can impact thinking process and thinking content, insight and judgement, decision making, problem-solving, perceptions, mood, sleep, emotional and behavioural regulation, ability to inhibit and many other aspects of cognitive, emotional, and behavioural functioning to varying degrees. There is no one mental illness of static severity. There is a wide range of severity of symptoms and impacts and a wide range of different presentations. In some cases agitation and aggression are very much tied to the mental illness, along with delusional thinking, hallucinations, and other alterations.

It isn't about culture. It is about understanding the neurobiological and pathothysiology of mental illness in the social and psychological and environmental contexts of that specific individual.

[Anonymous]

To add psychiatric forensic units and specialists exist because of the interplay between mental illness and criminal behavior. There are also laws and legislations aroudn the world that take into account the mental status of the indiviudal at the time of the crime.

I have no idea of the crontributing factors in this case. Just responding to those who are denying any link.

[Anonymous]

The picture emerging is pretty 'typical'. I was listening to a news reporter who spoke to two of his aunts. One hadn't even heard yet that Bryan had been arrested but when told that he as the suspect, the aunt wasn't particularly suprised.

The picture emerging is of a man who has been seen as odd and weird since he was a child, usually socially excluded and unable to read social cues or understand reasons for social rejection. Many rigid and odd anxieties and obsessions and compulsions. Has emotional meltdowns and struggles to regulate his emotions. According to aunts, not that different from his father. Becomes an adult and similar struggles continue but with greater stakes - women find him creepy now vs weird, he still doesn't understand cues, continues to have rigid behaviour, he lost 100 pounds and now has extremely controlled and rigid eating habits etc.


Rejected. Excluded. Feels misunderstood and unfairly disliked. Misses social cues. Rigid thinking. Difficulting regulating emotions - probably particularly anger...

[Anonymous]

I think it’s ironic that so many people are claiming it was the parents’ responsibility to get their 28 year old help, but on basically every other thread people post that parenting is basically done st 18, definitely at 21, and parents who are still involved parents to a 20 something are told to land the helicopter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The picture emerging is pretty 'typical'. I was listening to a news reporter who spoke to two of his aunts. One hadn't even heard yet that Bryan had been arrested but when told that he as the suspect, the aunt wasn't particularly suprised.

The picture emerging is of a man who has been seen as odd and weird since he was a child, usually socially excluded and unable to read social cues or understand reasons for social rejection. Many rigid and odd anxieties and obsessions and compulsions. Has emotional meltdowns and struggles to regulate his emotions. According to aunts, not that different from his father. Becomes an adult and similar struggles continue but with greater stakes - women find him creepy now vs weird, he still doesn't understand cues, continues to have rigid behaviour, he lost 100 pounds and now has extremely controlled and rigid eating habits etc.


Rejected. Excluded. Feels misunderstood and unfairly disliked. Misses social cues. Rigid thinking. Difficulting regulating emotions - probably particularly anger...

Autism Spectrum possibly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The picture emerging is pretty 'typical'. I was listening to a news reporter who spoke to two of his aunts. One hadn't even heard yet that Bryan had been arrested but when told that he as the suspect, the aunt wasn't particularly suprised.

The picture emerging is of a man who has been seen as odd and weird since he was a child, usually socially excluded and unable to read social cues or understand reasons for social rejection. Many rigid and odd anxieties and obsessions and compulsions. Has emotional meltdowns and struggles to regulate his emotions. According to aunts, not that different from his father. Becomes an adult and similar struggles continue but with greater stakes - women find him creepy now vs weird, he still doesn't understand cues, continues to have rigid behaviour, he lost 100 pounds and now has extremely controlled and rigid eating habits etc.


Rejected. Excluded. Feels misunderstood and unfairly disliked. Misses social cues. Rigid thinking. Difficulting regulating emotions - probably particularly anger...

There are countless people like this who aren’t murders.