RBG Politcal Discussion

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Anonymous wrote:Will Dems vote for trump if he replaces her with liberal pick or wait after the election? Nope so why does that matter.

Increases the chances the GOP loses the senate if Collins etc have to cast a vote against Roe. If they lose the senate, Dems should pack the court. So republicans should decide if they prefer a 5-4 majority or 7-6 minority.

People keep saying this buts it’s total BS.

Only 25-30 percent of the people polled actually want to do this. And just like Reid screwing his party by invoking the nuclear option, this will screw over the Dems too....

So you get Biden and a Dem Senate, increase court to 12, then eventually you get a Republican President and senate and they FU and increase it to 17 and pack it will all conservatives and so forth, so we may have 30-40 justices on the court... once you open that door, it will hit you him the butt really hard on your way out.

The door to this was open decades ago. Politicians started violating the political norms that make democracy viable. It's been escalating ever since and here we are. If you do not want this to continue, then you tell your Republican Senator not to do this. If he does do this, then you should pray Trump and McConnell win, because they don't, Democrats will definitely retaliate.

I don't care who started it. If you choose to continue, that's on you. I don't blame you for it. But I'm also not going to let 5 justices, including 3 that shouldn't even be there blow up everything I ever wanted for this country.

Reverse the Situation.


Biden is in last term of his presidency, Dems hold senate. Probable Republican like Romney will wine and senate will switch to Republican control after the election. It is 9/15 and Clarence Thomas dies, are you telling me you would tell your democratic senator and Schumer not to replace Thomas with a liberal justice since it’s so close to the election.

I call total BS, you would do that is a second and don’t kid yourself that you would not.

Honestly? By that time we are hoping all of your old cronies have peacefully gone to meet their maker so that the youth that gives a fluck about the future has some minor chance of protecting it. We hate your political games. Hate it.

Fix it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Susan Collins says no vote before the election

So that's Collins

Do we have - or think we have - Romney and Murkowski? And then we need one more?

Murkowski already announced she wouldn’t vote for a nominee right?

Romney has been quiet, but I think he’s a probable no.

One thing to remember is that Martha McSally will probably lose her election and, since she was appointed, has to be out by November 30th (but Mark Kelly can kick her out on Nov 4th). Therefore, unless the GOP can get all of this done before the election, they’ll be down to 52 seats, which means 3 defections would be enough.

Won’t matter, Alabama is going Republican (also a special election seat)

Alabama is not holding a special election for Doug Jones’s seat this year. You don’t know what you are talking about.

You don't know what you're tslking about. Jones was elected to fill out the term of Sessions for two years. That seat is now in play. I think Jones will vote with Dems.

Jones is toast — unfortunately. He will vote with the party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Dems vote for trump if he replaces her with liberal pick or wait after the election? Nope so why does that matter.

Increases the chances the GOP loses the senate if Collins etc have to cast a vote against Roe. If they lose the senate, Dems should pack the court. So republicans should decide if they prefer a 5-4 majority or 7-6 minority.

People keep saying this buts it’s total BS.

Only 25-30 percent of the people polled actually want to do this. And just like Reid screwing his party by invoking the nuclear option, this will screw over the Dems too....

So you get Biden and a Dem Senate, increase court to 12, then eventually you get a Republican President and senate and they FU and increase it to 17 and pack it will all conservatives and so forth, so we may have 30-40 justices on the court... once you open that door, it will hit you him the butt really hard on your way out.

The door to this was open decades ago. Politicians started violating the political norms that make democracy viable. It's been escalating ever since and here we are. If you do not want this to continue, then you tell your Republican Senator not to do this. If he does do this, then you should pray Trump and McConnell win, because they don't, Democrats will definitely retaliate.

I don't care who started it. If you choose to continue, that's on you. I don't blame you for it. But I'm also not going to let 5 justices, including 3 that shouldn't even be there blow up everything I ever wanted for this country.

Reverse the Situation.


Biden is in last term of his presidency, Dems hold senate. Probable Republican like Romney will wine and senate will switch to Republican control after the election. It is 9/15 and Clarence Thomas dies, are you telling me you would tell your democratic senator and Schumer not to replace Thomas with a liberal justice since it’s so close to the election.

I call total BS, you would do that is a second and don’t kid yourself that you would not.

Honestly? By that time we are hoping all of your old cronies have peacefully gone to meet their maker so that the youth that gives a fluck about the future has some minor chance of protecting it. We hate your political games. Hate it.





Fix it.

I posted the question and I’m 36. I don’t see the Dems doing anything different if they had the presidency and senate and were about to lose power. They would replace Thomas in a heartbeat...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Dems vote for trump if he replaces her with liberal pick or wait after the election? Nope so why does that matter.

Increases the chances the GOP loses the senate if Collins etc have to cast a vote against Roe. If they lose the senate, Dems should pack the court. So republicans should decide if they prefer a 5-4 majority or 7-6 minority.

People keep saying this buts it’s total BS.

Only 25-30 percent of the people polled actually want to do this. And just like Reid screwing his party by invoking the nuclear option, this will screw over the Dems too....

So you get Biden and a Dem Senate, increase court to 12, then eventually you get a Republican President and senate and they FU and increase it to 17 and pack it will all conservatives and so forth, so we may have 30-40 justices on the court... once you open that door, it will hit you him the butt really hard on your way out.

The door to this was open decades ago. Politicians started violating the political norms that make democracy viable. It's been escalating ever since and here we are. If you do not want this to continue, then you tell your Republican Senator not to do this. If he does do this, then you should pray Trump and McConnell win, because they don't, Democrats will definitely retaliate.

I don't care who started it. If you choose to continue, that's on you. I don't blame you for it. But I'm also not going to let 5 justices, including 3 that shouldn't even be there blow up everything I ever wanted for this country.

Reverse the Situation.


Biden is in last term of his presidency, Dems hold senate. Probable Republican like Romney will wine and senate will switch to Republican control after the election. It is 9/15 and Clarence Thomas dies, are you telling me you would tell your democratic senator and Schumer not to replace Thomas with a liberal justice since it’s so close to the election.

I call total BS, you would do that is a second and don’t kid yourself that you would not.

Once again, you are vastly underestimating the power of a voting trend you’ve never seen before. It’s going to be the young people that blow this shish out of the water. Run and poll that. When these 18 year olds have their marriage and children being schooled (virtually?) with no social security, no privacy, basic rights completely compromised, they are going to change the entire political landscape. America as a country is a baby in comparison to other societies. Unless a balance of power is true and protected, it is inevitable that these exploits on both sides won’t blow up in everyone’s face. So confess your political sins, repent, and redeem yourself with actions that truly change matters in a way that makes every single person walking around in this country feel safe when they wake up. Not scared, not depressed, not fearful of whatever the idiot of chief is destroying next. Fix it!

[Anonymous]

I’m so angry I want to punch something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Dems vote for trump if he replaces her with liberal pick or wait after the election? Nope so why does that matter.

Increases the chances the GOP loses the senate if Collins etc have to cast a vote against Roe. If they lose the senate, Dems should pack the court. So republicans should decide if they prefer a 5-4 majority or 7-6 minority.

People keep saying this buts it’s total BS.

Only 25-30 percent of the people polled actually want to do this. And just like Reid screwing his party by invoking the nuclear option, this will screw over the Dems too....

So you get Biden and a Dem Senate, increase court to 12, then eventually you get a Republican President and senate and they FU and increase it to 17 and pack it will all conservatives and so forth, so we may have 30-40 justices on the court... once you open that door, it will hit you him the butt really hard on your way out.

The door to this was open decades ago. Politicians started violating the political norms that make democracy viable. It's been escalating ever since and here we are. If you do not want this to continue, then you tell your Republican Senator not to do this. If he does do this, then you should pray Trump and McConnell win, because they don't, Democrats will definitely retaliate.

I don't care who started it. If you choose to continue, that's on you. I don't blame you for it. But I'm also not going to let 5 justices, including 3 that shouldn't even be there blow up everything I ever wanted for this country.

Reverse the Situation.


Biden is in last term of his presidency, Dems hold senate. Probable Republican like Romney will wine and senate will switch to Republican control after the election. It is 9/15 and Clarence Thomas dies, are you telling me you would tell your democratic senator and Schumer not to replace Thomas with a liberal justice since it’s so close to the election.

I call total BS, you would do that is a second and don’t kid yourself that you would not.

The difference between me and you and is that I choose for myself based on what I think is best for the country. You choose based on your fears. If you think the best thing you can do for the country is to get another seat on the court, go ahead do it, but take responsibility for it. Don't do it just because you think I would.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Susan Collins says no vote before the election

So that's Collins

Do we have - or think we have - Romney and Murkowski? And then we need one more?

Murkowski already announced she wouldn’t vote for a nominee right?

Romney has been quiet, but I think he’s a probable no.

One thing to remember is that Martha McSally will probably lose her election and, since she was appointed, has to be out by November 30th (but Mark Kelly can kick her out on Nov 4th). Therefore, unless the GOP can get all of this done before the election, they’ll be down to 52 seats, which means 3 defections would be enough.

Won’t matter, Alabama is going Republican (also a special election seat)

Alabama is not holding a special election for Doug Jones’s seat this year. You don’t know what you are talking about.

You don't know what you're tslking about. Jones was elected to fill out the term of Sessions for two years. That seat is now in play. I think Jones will vote with Dems.

The Kelly-Mcssally election is a special election. The Jones election is part of the regular cycle after Jones won a special election.

[Anonymous]

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Reverse the Situation.


Biden is in last term of his presidency, Dems hold senate. Probable Republican like Romney will wine and senate will switch to Republican control after the election. It is 9/15 and Clarence Thomas dies, are you telling me you would tell your democratic senator and Schumer not to replace Thomas with a liberal justice since it’s so close to the election.

I call total BS, you would do that is a second and don’t kid yourself that you would not.

You are using the wrong analogy. The dems didn't hold a seat for 10 months under the guide of "let the next guy fill it" only to turn around and try to cram a new nomination in in the next 45 days.

The issue isn't filling this seat, it was witholding the last one and then hypocritically filling this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Dems vote for trump if he replaces her with liberal pick or wait after the election? Nope so why does that matter.

Increases the chances the GOP loses the senate if Collins etc have to cast a vote against Roe. If they lose the senate, Dems should pack the court. So republicans should decide if they prefer a 5-4 majority or 7-6 minority.

People keep saying this buts it’s total BS.

Only 25-30 percent of the people polled actually want to do this. And just like Reid screwing his party by invoking the nuclear option, this will screw over the Dems too....

So you get Biden and a Dem Senate, increase court to 12, then eventually you get a Republican President and senate and they FU and increase it to 17 and pack it will all conservatives and so forth, so we may have 30-40 justices on the court... once you open that door, it will hit you him the butt really hard on your way out.

The door to this was open decades ago. Politicians started violating the political norms that make democracy viable. It's been escalating ever since and here we are. If you do not want this to continue, then you tell your Republican Senator not to do this. If he does do this, then you should pray Trump and McConnell win, because they don't, Democrats will definitely retaliate.

I don't care who started it. If you choose to continue, that's on you. I don't blame you for it. But I'm also not going to let 5 justices, including 3 that shouldn't even be there blow up everything I ever wanted for this country.

Reverse the Situation.


Biden is in last term of his presidency, Dems hold senate. Probable Republican like Romney will wine and senate will switch to Republican control after the election. It is 9/15 and Clarence Thomas dies, are you telling me you would tell your democratic senator and Schumer not to replace Thomas with a liberal justice since it’s so close to the election.

I call total BS, you would do that is a second and don’t kid yourself that you would not.

Honestly? By that time we are hoping all of your old cronies have peacefully gone to meet their maker so that the youth that gives a fluck about the future has some minor chance of protecting it. We hate your political games. Hate it.





Fix it.

I posted the question and I’m 36. I don’t see the Dems doing anything different if they had the presidency and senate and were about to lose power. They would replace Thomas in a heartbeat...

But the dems didn't sit on a nomination for 10 months in the prior administration.

[Anonymous]

Biden said in 2019 he would not expand Supreme Court and Sanders also does. It want to expand the Supreme Court:

"My worry is that the next time the Republicans are in power they will do the same thing, I think that is not the ultimate solution," Sanders said in response to a question at a forum on Monday organized by public employee unions and other liberal groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden said in 2019 he would not expand Supreme Court and Sanders also does. It want to expand the Supreme Court:

"My worry is that the next time the Republicans are in power they will do the same thing, I think that is not the ultimate solution," Sanders said in response to a question at a forum on Monday organized by public employee unions and other liberal groups.

You won’t get an expansion of the court. Even FDR failed his attempt at it. You try it and succeed, Republicans add 20 justices next time they are in control...

[Anonymous]

CALM DOWN PEOPLE.


To get back on topic...


Susan Collins just said she'd only consider a nominee by the President-elect. Which means she won't consider a Trump nominee if he doesn't win this election. That's a huge deal, considering Biden is favored to win and is better placed than Hillary Clinton was at the same period.

For the moment, Collins is all alone in that corner. Murkowski just punted to after Nov 3rd, and Romney has't said anything. I believe they may both vote for a Trump nominee during the lame duck period. Don't count on Romney in particular, because he is sure to vote his conscience and his conscience is a conservative one!

The odds are still very much in favor of a 3rd Trump appointee to the Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

I don't trust Susan Collins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't trust Susan Collins.

+1. She consulted with Mitch before her announcement. She's in a tight race and she's trying to look fair. There is no chance of her not voting for the Trump nominee if they need her vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biden said in 2019 he would not expand Supreme Court and Sanders also does. It want to expand the Supreme Court:

"My worry is that the next time the Republicans are in power they will do the same thing, I think that is not the ultimate solution," Sanders said in response to a question at a forum on Monday organized by public employee unions and other liberal groups.

You won’t get an expansion of the court. Even FDR failed his attempt at it. You try it and succeed, Republicans add 20 justices next time they are in control...

You don't get itm. The Republicans have just destroy d any semblance of institutional legitimacy. It doesn't matter anymorem. If the GOP adds 5 more in response then the Dems will just have to add five more. It will never end. You can't shit on the system and expect to get away with it.