What exactly is the democratic party going to stand for in 2026 and 2028?

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Rights of gun owners supersede that of children (who can’t even vote). Nobody seems to have a problem with that, which is a much bigger problem than trans taking away your child’s deserved first place medal (which probably didn’t even happen to you).

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

I actually would have said the same thing, until I read the article. I never heard any politician speak about the Trans issue on the campaign trail so I do think it was taken to a next level by Fox et al, but after reading Sullivan's article (I am the one who posted it in this chat) I see that it's an issue that is going on on the local level. It hasn't really popped for me as a parent of college students living in MoCo but I can see how it is affecting parents at the younger level. And, I do know several families with kids who are in the process of transitioning. They are supportive but at least 2 of them wonder if social contagion has played a role.

Yes, of course it has. My teenager has acquaintances where those kids are now referring to the themselves as different names. But really, who cares? So many of these kids go through phases, like dying their hair. Most of the time they are phases. Kids are confused, they are trying to figure out who they are. And I am not referring to medical procedures to change their bodies!


But none of this gives anyone any excuse to burn this country down.

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Anonymous wrote:Rights of gun owners supersede that of children (who can’t even vote). Nobody seems to have a problem with that, which is a much bigger problem than trans taking away your child’s deserved first place medal (which probably didn’t even happen to you).

💯

It is shocking to me how many parents are so flip about this. Terrified of trans and certain books in schools. But guns? 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous wrote:Rights of gun owners supersede that of children (who can’t even vote). Nobody seems to have a problem with that, which is a much bigger problem than trans taking away your child’s deserved first place medal (which probably didn’t even happen to you).

Silly argument. I don’t need to accept lgbt+ materials in my classroom without an opt out in order to claim my second amendment rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

I actually would have said the same thing, until I read the article. I never heard any politician speak about the Trans issue on the campaign trail so I do think it was taken to a next level by Fox et al, but after reading Sullivan's article (I am the one who posted it in this chat) I see that it's an issue that is going on on the local level. It hasn't really popped for me as a parent of college students living in MoCo but I can see how it is affecting parents at the younger level. And, I do know several families with kids who are in the process of transitioning. They are supportive but at least 2 of them wonder if social contagion has played a role.

Yes, of course it has. My teenager has acquaintances where those kids are now referring to the themselves as different names. But really, who cares? So many of these kids go through phases, like dying their hair. Most of the time they are phases. Kids are confused, they are trying to figure out who they are. And I am not referring to medical procedures to change their bodies!


But none of this gives anyone any excuse to burn this country down.

Gender dysphoria is not a phase.
And saying kids can change gender like dying their hair...just wow.
No - all kids are not confused and trying to figure out who they are. A very small percentage of kids are and through formal medical diagnosis are diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

That's like saying ADHD or Austism Spectrum is a phase.
Gender Dysphoria is no different than ADHD. It does a huge disservice to those who do truly have gender dysphoria to say that all kids go through it as a phase.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

It’s not 2019 any more. You cannot be this ignorant.

You mean I am not succumbing to fear mongering? Like so many of you.

No, you just sound profoundly ignorant. Perhaps deliberately so, I don’t know, but ignorant all the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

I actually would have said the same thing, until I read the article. I never heard any politician speak about the Trans issue on the campaign trail so I do think it was taken to a next level by Fox et al, but after reading Sullivan's article (I am the one who posted it in this chat) I see that it's an issue that is going on on the local level. It hasn't really popped for me as a parent of college students living in MoCo but I can see how it is affecting parents at the younger level. And, I do know several families with kids who are in the process of transitioning. They are supportive but at least 2 of them wonder if social contagion has played a role.

Yes, of course it has. My teenager has acquaintances where those kids are now referring to the themselves as different names. But really, who cares? So many of these kids go through phases, like dying their hair. Most of the time they are phases. Kids are confused, they are trying to figure out who they are. And I am not referring to medical procedures to change their bodies!


But none of this gives anyone any excuse to burn this country down.

Gender dysphoria is not a phase.
And saying kids can change gender like dying their hair...just wow.
No - all kids are not confused and trying to figure out who they are. A very small percentage of kids are and through formal medical diagnosis are diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

That's like saying ADHD or Austism Spectrum is a phase.
Gender Dysphoria is no different than ADHD. It does a huge disservice to those who do truly have gender dysphoria to say that all kids go through it as a phase.

I didn’t say all. I said some. Any child should feel supported. Period. Not villainized by society.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

It’s not 2019 any more. You cannot be this ignorant.

You mean I am not succumbing to fear mongering? Like so many of you.

No, you just sound profoundly ignorant. Perhaps deliberately so, I don’t know, but ignorant all the same.

Sorry, but I am not going to be scared of all the nonsense the right wingers say I need to be scared of.

A little more compassion and empathy from people would not be such a bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

I actually would have said the same thing, until I read the article. I never heard any politician speak about the Trans issue on the campaign trail so I do think it was taken to a next level by Fox et al, but after reading Sullivan's article (I am the one who posted it in this chat) I see that it's an issue that is going on on the local level. It hasn't really popped for me as a parent of college students living in MoCo but I can see how it is affecting parents at the younger level. And, I do know several families with kids who are in the process of transitioning. They are supportive but at least 2 of them wonder if social contagion has played a role.

Yes, of course it has. My teenager has acquaintances where those kids are now referring to the themselves as different names. But really, who cares? So many of these kids go through phases, like dying their hair. Most of the time they are phases. Kids are confused, they are trying to figure out who they are. And I am not referring to medical procedures to change their bodies!


But none of this gives anyone any excuse to burn this country down.

Gender dysphoria is not a phase.
And saying kids can change gender like dying their hair...just wow.
No - all kids are not confused and trying to figure out who they are. A very small percentage of kids are and through formal medical diagnosis are diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

That's like saying ADHD or Austism Spectrum is a phase.
Gender Dysphoria is no different than ADHD. It does a huge disservice to those who do truly have gender dysphoria to say that all kids go through it as a phase.

Facts don’t support this view. Most children outgrow gender dysphoria - ranges from 4/5 to 2/3. See Netherlands paper just published in Archives of Sexual Behavior but there are other studies that say the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rights of gun owners supersede that of children (who can’t even vote). Nobody seems to have a problem with that, which is a much bigger problem than trans taking away your child’s deserved first place medal (which probably didn’t even happen to you).

Okay but that’s not the issue at hand. Gun rights don’t come up in opposition to trans rights in bills, legislative action, etc. Voters can’t look at a single vote and say whether that representative prioritized trans rights over women’s rights or vice versa. Your wishing that people took gun rights and the harms from guns seriously does not change electoral reality.

Women’s rights, on the other hand, do come up directly in conflict with trans rights. Voters can easily see the positions chosen. And the Democrats are on the wrong side of this issue. Look at Chris Murphy: he said that he didn’t think boys in girls sports was fair, but when presented with the opportunity to vote that conviction, he chose trans rights over girls rights. That is a very clear position that voters can see.

The problem the Democrats have is that their actions are easily visible here, and they’ve aligned themselves with a regressive sexist, misogynist, and homophobic approach. The more that voters learn what trans rights actually means particularly when in conflict with women’s rights, the less popular that position is. It is another issue where the Democrats are on the wrong side of history.

I want Democrats to win so that things like gun control can be implemented. I’m tired of MAGA and how much they are hurting the entire country. And maybe the Republicans will screw things up so incredibly badly that trans rights versus women’s rights as an issue won’t be an election factor. We can hope. But so far, I don’t see that happening. Which means the Democrats cannot continue to use avoidance as a strategy for this issue that they’ve created and championed.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

I actually would have said the same thing, until I read the article. I never heard any politician speak about the Trans issue on the campaign trail so I do think it was taken to a next level by Fox et al, but after reading Sullivan's article (I am the one who posted it in this chat) I see that it's an issue that is going on on the local level. It hasn't really popped for me as a parent of college students living in MoCo but I can see how it is affecting parents at the younger level. And, I do know several families with kids who are in the process of transitioning. They are supportive but at least 2 of them wonder if social contagion has played a role.

Yes, of course it has. My teenager has acquaintances where those kids are now referring to the themselves as different names. But really, who cares? So many of these kids go through phases, like dying their hair. Most of the time they are phases. Kids are confused, they are trying to figure out who they are. And I am not referring to medical procedures to change their bodies!


But none of this gives anyone any excuse to burn this country down.

Gender dysphoria is not a phase.
And saying kids can change gender like dying their hair...just wow.
No - all kids are not confused and trying to figure out who they are. A very small percentage of kids are and through formal medical diagnosis are diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

That's like saying ADHD or Austism Spectrum is a phase.
Gender Dysphoria is no different than ADHD. It does a huge disservice to those who do truly have gender dysphoria to say that all kids go through it as a phase.

I didn’t say all. I said some. Any child should feel supported. Period. Not villainized by society.

I wholeheartedly agree -- any child should feel supported and not villainized by society.....so if a child believes you are born a boy or a girl, they should feel supported and not villainized for that belief.

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Anonymous wrote:Really great article by Andrew Sullivan in the NYT today about how the advances made for LGT rights are being set back by the extreme Left’s all or nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. It really lays out well how things have been taken off the rails and how it’s turning off so many Americans, this dyed in the wool Democrat included. The party needs to have a Sista Soljah moment with this contingent and show the world that yes, we are ok with trans people and want to support them, but there are limits, esp. when it comes to children. This could help remove this as a wedge issue and show that Dems don’t fall for all of the far Left nonsense.

This +100.

Unfortunately, I don't see the Dems shedding themselves of the extreme left’s all-or-nothing approach to trans issues and trying to get rid of genders. No more so than I see the Republicans shedding themselves of the extreme right's all-or-nothing approach to abortion.

Extremism on both sides is what is ruining our society.

So, dyed-in-the-wool democrat…what is the Dem position on trans rights? We know what the MAGA policy is on abortion.

Largely their position is that when there is a legal conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, trans rights is more important. For instance, the right to safety, privacy, and dignity that Democrats typically espouse for female prisoners is less important than the right of trans women to be placed in women’s prisons. Etc. In any event, their general position is that women’s rights are less important than trans rights.

huh??

What exactly are you confused about? It is quite clearly written.

Typical response from Dems..."huh" -- the continue to be obtuse.

The “huh” is avoidance. That PP knows that take is correct, but because that’s the current position of the Democrats on trans issues, she has to pretend confusion. They have nowhere else to go other than pretending confusion.

um no, it’s because it makes no sense to me. All this hysteria that is.

Signed the mom of 2 kids in suburban America.

Again if fox news didn’t exist would this even be discussed.

I actually would have said the same thing, until I read the article. I never heard any politician speak about the Trans issue on the campaign trail so I do think it was taken to a next level by Fox et al, but after reading Sullivan's article (I am the one who posted it in this chat) I see that it's an issue that is going on on the local level. It hasn't really popped for me as a parent of college students living in MoCo but I can see how it is affecting parents at the younger level. And, I do know several families with kids who are in the process of transitioning. They are supportive but at least 2 of them wonder if social contagion has played a role.

Yes, of course it has. My teenager has acquaintances where those kids are now referring to the themselves as different names. But really, who cares? So many of these kids go through phases, like dying their hair. Most of the time they are phases. Kids are confused, they are trying to figure out who they are. And I am not referring to medical procedures to change their bodies!


But none of this gives anyone any excuse to burn this country down.

Gender dysphoria is not a phase.
And saying kids can change gender like dying their hair...just wow.
No - all kids are not confused and trying to figure out who they are. A very small percentage of kids are and through formal medical diagnosis are diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

That's like saying ADHD or Austism Spectrum is a phase.
Gender Dysphoria is no different than ADHD. It does a huge disservice to those who do truly have gender dysphoria to say that all kids go through it as a phase.

Facts don’t support this view. Most children outgrow gender dysphoria - ranges from 4/5 to 2/3. See Netherlands paper just published in Archives of Sexual Behavior but there are other studies that say the same.

Let me put it another way....not every child has gender dysphoria (whether they outgrow it is irrelevant).
What is being pushed and radicalized is that every child has gender dysphoria as the norm. As previous poster stated some parents whose kids are transitioning wonder whether their child had gender dysphoria solely because of "social contagion".
What is being pushed is that doctors "guess" at someone's gender identity when they are born and that sometimes they are wrong.

That is what the majority has an issue with. Please go back and read the posted article by Sullivan.

Also....I'm not the one who used the term "social contagion" on this thread...so I looked it up. Social Contagion is the spread of emotions or behaviors from one individual to another, sometimes without awareness. While it can lead to positive behaviors, it can also contribute to indoctrination.
Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350459711_PSYCHOLOGY_OF_INDOCTRINATION_APPROACHES_AND_CURRENT_RESEARCH_DIRECTIONS

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Anonymous wrote:Rights of gun owners supersede that of children (who can’t even vote). Nobody seems to have a problem with that, which is a much bigger problem than trans taking away your child’s deserved first place medal (which probably didn’t even happen to you).

Okay but that’s not the issue at hand. Gun rights don’t come up in opposition to trans rights in bills, legislative action, etc. Voters can’t look at a single vote and say whether that representative prioritized trans rights over women’s rights or vice versa. Your wishing that people took gun rights and the harms from guns seriously does not change electoral reality.

Women’s rights, on the other hand, do come up directly in conflict with trans rights. Voters can easily see the positions chosen. And the Democrats are on the wrong side of this issue. Look at Chris Murphy: he said that he didn’t think boys in girls sports was fair, but when presented with the opportunity to vote that conviction, he chose trans rights over girls rights. That is a very clear position that voters can see.

The problem the Democrats have is that their actions are easily visible here, and they’ve aligned themselves with a regressive sexist, misogynist, and homophobic approach. The more that voters learn what trans rights actually means particularly when in conflict with women’s rights, the less popular that position is. It is another issue where the Democrats are on the wrong side of history.

I want Democrats to win so that things like gun control can be implemented. I’m tired of MAGA and how much they are hurting the entire country. And maybe the Republicans will screw things up so incredibly badly that trans rights versus women’s rights as an issue won’t be an election factor. We can hope. But so far, I don’t see that happening. Which means the Democrats cannot continue to use avoidance as a strategy for this issue that they’ve created and championed.

This +100 and also thanks for keeping us on track with the topic of this thread. Admittedly it went a little sideways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Rights of gun owners supersede that of children (who can’t even vote). Nobody seems to have a problem with that, which is a much bigger problem than trans taking away your child’s deserved first place medal (which probably didn’t even happen to you).

Okay but that’s not the issue at hand. Gun rights don’t come up in opposition to trans rights in bills, legislative action, etc. Voters can’t look at a single vote and say whether that representative prioritized trans rights over women’s rights or vice versa. Your wishing that people took gun rights and the harms from guns seriously does not change electoral reality.

Women’s rights, on the other hand, do come up directly in conflict with trans rights. Voters can easily see the positions chosen. And the Democrats are on the wrong side of this issue. Look at Chris Murphy: he said that he didn’t think boys in girls sports was fair, but when presented with the opportunity to vote that conviction, he chose trans rights over girls rights. That is a very clear position that voters can see.

The problem the Democrats have is that their actions are easily visible here, and they’ve aligned themselves with a regressive sexist, misogynist, and homophobic approach. The more that voters learn what trans rights actually means particularly when in conflict with women’s rights, the less popular that position is. It is another issue where the Democrats are on the wrong side of history.

I want Democrats to win so that things like gun control can be implemented. I’m tired of MAGA and how much they are hurting the entire country. And maybe the Republicans will screw things up so incredibly badly that trans rights versus women’s rights as an issue won’t be an election factor. We can hope. But so far, I don’t see that happening. Which means the Democrats cannot continue to use avoidance as a strategy for this issue that they’ve created and championed.

This +100 and also thanks for keeping us on track with the topic of this thread. Admittedly it went a little sideways.

[Anonymous]

Stop being pro illegal immigration. Women rights have already been addressed, it shouldn't be a talking point.