Yet another GOP shutdown?

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans will remember this one as the Biden/Harris shutdown since they are the President and Vice President.

It's on them.

Wrong. It's well known that there was a deal in place and that Musk killed it. Keep dreaming, it ain't happening.

Well, Dems have the WH and the Senate so they are in control and they have the power until January 20 so Dems own this one thanks to Biden.

I realize you’re trolling but at least try to be accurate. The new Congress convenes January 3. Johnson will have even fewer Republican votes to lose.

PP isn’t trolling but pointing out who is in office TODAY when this is all happening. Hint: it’s not the new congress and Trump.

Yes. It’s Johnson who is speaker of the House, which is where appropriations bills originate. Seems he didn’t get around to it.

A bill was just put forward that Dems shot down. Guess they want a shutdown.

But again, this is Biden’s term and a shutdown is occurring on his watch. He should get busy.

You’re not well informed. It was a bipartisan bill that was expected to pass with Dem support until Musk blew it up with the intention of Gov shut down. Musk isn’t in Congress. He doesn’t have a vote. He cannot manipulate an already accepted bill. Don’t you get it? Musk wants a shut down. MAGA wants a shut down because their base is stupid enough to blame it on Biden. The President does not control Congress. Yet, the DOGE dickhead and his hollow puppet president elect do not have the power to influence the vote. It’s unconstitutional. Johnson is a beta.

lol I’m perfectly well informed. Elon doesn’t have a vote like you said, he is a private citizen like many who raised their voices and said enough! Enough of the massive pork laden spending bills forced in under emergency terms and if that causes a shutdown, then too bad. Operations need to change. Get it?

Looks like Biden has canceled his holiday in Delaware and returned to DC to do his job so that’s good. He is still the president. This shut down is happening under his watch.

Nope. It’s happening under Johnson’s watch. He is the SOH. Biden is POTUS. They have separate duties and responsibilities. Johnson’s duty is to get an appropriation bill through Congress. Biden’s job is to veto or approve such bill once it’s placed on his desk. The freaking end.

No one is confused about what role each office plays but you are wrong if you think the head of the party and the president isn’t involved. He is supposed to be organizing and using his bully pulpit to effect the change he wants. There is a reason he canceled his holiday for this. Good thing he is listening to his advisors and not dcum.

He's not going to invite Musk to the White House for one-on-one negotiations. Sorry.

Silly to think that’s desired or necessary. Stop with the bogey man hysteria. Musk is a citizen with a voice supported by a million other citizens with a voice. They are being heard but it’s Congress who has the votes.

Musk is out for Musk. He doesn’t give a **** about anyone else.

Who cares? He isn’t voting. But you’d better believe that he will publicize the pork coming out of the bills and congressmen will hear about it from their constituents. Publicity is good. Enough of this secretive spending.

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Anonymous wrote:Another nail in the coffin for the Democrats, Jeffries is awful. They aren't doing anything to help them regain popularity after their disastrous Kamala run.

Dems on this board seem to think the populist mood in this country translates to a desire to pass a pork laden bill for business as usual and that people will care if the federal government shuts down to change things. This type of massive disconnect with the public is why Harris lost.

After the Trump years and multiple shutdowns, including the longest shutdown ever, they've lost their power. No one cares anymore, which means the deadline, tonight, has lost its power.

This isn't a good thing - in case you are confused. It's just more destruction of norms, increase in dysfunction.

The norm is 1500 page bills full of tucked in, kept in the dark spending. That’s a norm that needs to be destroyed.

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LOL, looks like the MAGAs are trying out new talking points.

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Anonymous wrote:Another nail in the coffin for the Democrats, Jeffries is awful. They aren't doing anything to help them regain popularity after their disastrous Kamala run.

Dems on this board seem to think the populist mood in this country translates to a desire to pass a pork laden bill for business as usual and that people will care if the federal government shuts down to change things. This type of massive disconnect with the public is why Harris lost.

If the “populist mood” of the country means that the country wants a government shutdown, then it should get a real one. Biden should shut the whole thing down. No “essential workers” carrying on. Then the “populists” can reflect on what the federal government actually does.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans will remember this one as the Biden/Harris shutdown since they are the President and Vice President.

It's on them.

Wrong. It's well known that there was a deal in place and that Musk killed it. Keep dreaming, it ain't happening.

Well, Dems have the WH and the Senate so they are in control and they have the power until January 20 so Dems own this one thanks to Biden.

I realize you’re trolling but at least try to be accurate. The new Congress convenes January 3. Johnson will have even fewer Republican votes to lose.

PP isn’t trolling but pointing out who is in office TODAY when this is all happening. Hint: it’s not the new congress and Trump.

Yes. It’s Johnson who is speaker of the House, which is where appropriations bills originate. Seems he didn’t get around to it.

A bill was just put forward that Dems shot down. Guess they want a shutdown.

But again, this is Biden’s term and a shutdown is occurring on his watch. He should get busy.

The Democrats were not included in drafting the new bill. Why do you expect a bipartisan or nonpartisan vote for a partisan bill? They have a negotiated bipartisan bill and refuse to put it to a vote. The do-nothing Republican majority is so dysfunctional that they only allow the House to vote on bills that they know will fail.

100%. This is owned by the GOP.

How will the optics appear if we have an extended shutdown under Biden that abruptly ends after an elaborate Trump inauguration? This is what the democrats are doing to themselves.

You are delusional. Democrats have always been labeled by the GOP as the party of big government. The Dems want, like, and respect the government. Everybody knows this and that’s why they would never shut it down. It will be known as the first Musk shutdown.

Historically, both parties have been for big government. The differences one wants tax cuts for billionaires and refuses to cut anything meaningful other than social security and Medicare.

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Anonymous wrote:Another nail in the coffin for the Democrats, Jeffries is awful. They aren't doing anything to help them regain popularity after their disastrous Kamala run.

Dems on this board seem to think the populist mood in this country translates to a desire to pass a pork laden bill for business as usual and that people will care if the federal government shuts down to change things. This type of massive disconnect with the public is why Harris lost.

After the Trump years and multiple shutdowns, including the longest shutdown ever, they've lost their power. No one cares anymore, which means the deadline, tonight, has lost its power.

This isn't a good thing - in case you are confused. It's just more destruction of norms, increase in dysfunction.

The norm is 1500 page bills full of tucked in, kept in the dark spending. That’s a norm that needs to be destroyed.

It’s not secret.

You can read it here:
https://appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/committee-releases-bill-continue-current-funding-and-provide-much-needed

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Anonymous wrote:I also find it hilarious that the republicans now want the debt ceiling lifted when they were so opposed to that in the past. Trump/Musk should let the legislators legislate and not make 11th hour demands.

Sorry, this is what America voted for utter chaos and gross incompetence.

We voted for an end to all this bloated spending.

Did you? Because last time your team was in charge of everything we accumulated 25% of our national debt.

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Anonymous wrote:Another nail in the coffin for the Democrats, Jeffries is awful. They aren't doing anything to help them regain popularity after their disastrous Kamala run.

The Dems should not help the GOP. It makes them unpopular to help bail the GOP out. Let Americans get what they voted for!

^ example of a misread of the public mood

The "public mood" said they want fewer, not more, republicans in the House come January 3. This is a case study as to why.

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Now Trump wants to suspend the “ridiculous” debt ceiling until 2029 or forever.

Unclear how this squares with getting down government spending.

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Anonymous wrote:Now Trump wants to suspend the “ridiculous” debt ceiling until 2029 or forever.

Unclear how this squares with getting down government spending.

Its all completely absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Most Americans will remember this one as the Biden/Harris shutdown since they are the President and Vice President.

It's on them.

Wrong. It's well known that there was a deal in place and that Musk killed it. Keep dreaming, it ain't happening.

Well, Dems have the WH and the Senate so they are in control and they have the power until January 20 so Dems own this one thanks to Biden.

I realize you’re trolling but at least try to be accurate. The new Congress convenes January 3. Johnson will have even fewer Republican votes to lose.

PP isn’t trolling but pointing out who is in office TODAY when this is all happening. Hint: it’s not the new congress and Trump.

Yes. It’s Johnson who is speaker of the House, which is where appropriations bills originate. Seems he didn’t get around to it.

A bill was just put forward that Dems shot down. Guess they want a shutdown.

But again, this is Biden’s term and a shutdown is occurring on his watch. He should get busy.

You’re not well informed. It was a bipartisan bill that was expected to pass with Dem support until Musk blew it up with the intention of Gov shut down. Musk isn’t in Congress. He doesn’t have a vote. He cannot manipulate an already accepted bill. Don’t you get it? Musk wants a shut down. MAGA wants a shut down because their base is stupid enough to blame it on Biden. The President does not control Congress. Yet, the DOGE dickhead and his hollow puppet president elect do not have the power to influence the vote. It’s unconstitutional. Johnson is a beta.

lol I’m perfectly well informed. Elon doesn’t have a vote like you said, he is a private citizen like many who raised their voices and said enough! Enough of the massive pork laden spending bills forced in under emergency terms and if that causes a shutdown, then too bad. Operations need to change. Get it?

Looks like Biden has canceled his holiday in Delaware and returned to DC to do his job so that’s good. He is still the president. This shut down is happening under his watch.

Nope. It’s happening under Johnson’s watch. He is the SOH. Biden is POTUS. They have separate duties and responsibilities. Johnson’s duty is to get an appropriation bill through Congress. Biden’s job is to veto or approve such bill once it’s placed on his desk. The freaking end.

No one is confused about what role each office plays but you are wrong if you think the head of the party and the president isn’t involved. He is supposed to be organizing and using his bully pulpit to effect the change he wants. There is a reason he canceled his holiday for this. Good thing he is listening to his advisors and not dcum.

He's not going to invite Musk to the White House for one-on-one negotiations. Sorry.

Silly to think that’s desired or necessary. Stop with the bogey man hysteria. Musk is a citizen with a voice supported by a million other citizens with a voice. They are being heard but it’s Congress who has the votes.

Musk is out for Musk. He doesn’t give a **** about anyone else.

Who cares? He isn’t voting. But you’d better believe that he will publicize the pork coming out of the bills and congressmen will hear about it from their constituents. Publicity is good. Enough of this secretive spending.

Do you understand how pork works? It benefits their constituents, it brings money home to their districts. So publicizing it will probably make them get reelected.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most Americans will remember this one as the Biden/Harris shutdown since they are the President and Vice President.

It's on them.

Wrong. It's well known that there was a deal in place and that Musk killed it. Keep dreaming, it ain't happening.

Well, Dems have the WH and the Senate so they are in control and they have the power until January 20 so Dems own this one thanks to Biden.

I realize you’re trolling but at least try to be accurate. The new Congress convenes January 3. Johnson will have even fewer Republican votes to lose.

PP isn’t trolling but pointing out who is in office TODAY when this is all happening. Hint: it’s not the new congress and Trump.

Yes. It’s Johnson who is speaker of the House, which is where appropriations bills originate. Seems he didn’t get around to it.

A bill was just put forward that Dems shot down. Guess they want a shutdown.

But again, this is Biden’s term and a shutdown is occurring on his watch. He should get busy.

You’re not well informed. It was a bipartisan bill that was expected to pass with Dem support until Musk blew it up with the intention of Gov shut down. Musk isn’t in Congress. He doesn’t have a vote. He cannot manipulate an already accepted bill. Don’t you get it? Musk wants a shut down. MAGA wants a shut down because their base is stupid enough to blame it on Biden. The President does not control Congress. Yet, the DOGE dickhead and his hollow puppet president elect do not have the power to influence the vote. It’s unconstitutional. Johnson is a beta.

lol I’m perfectly well informed. Elon doesn’t have a vote like you said, he is a private citizen like many who raised their voices and said enough! Enough of the massive pork laden spending bills forced in under emergency terms and if that causes a shutdown, then too bad. Operations need to change. Get it?

Looks like Biden has canceled his holiday in Delaware and returned to DC to do his job so that’s good. He is still the president. This shut down is happening under his watch.

Nope. It’s happening under Johnson’s watch. He is the SOH. Biden is POTUS. They have separate duties and responsibilities. Johnson’s duty is to get an appropriation bill through Congress. Biden’s job is to veto or approve such bill once it’s placed on his desk. The freaking end.

No one is confused about what role each office plays but you are wrong if you think the head of the party and the president isn’t involved. He is supposed to be organizing and using his bully pulpit to effect the change he wants. There is a reason he canceled his holiday for this. Good thing he is listening to his advisors and not dcum.

He's not going to invite Musk to the White House for one-on-one negotiations. Sorry.

Silly to think that’s desired or necessary. Stop with the bogey man hysteria. Musk is a citizen with a voice supported by a million other citizens with a voice. They are being heard but it’s Congress who has the votes.

Musk is out for Musk. He doesn’t give a **** about anyone else.

Who cares? He isn’t voting. But you’d better believe that he will publicize the pork coming out of the bills and congressmen will hear about it from their constituents. Publicity is good. Enough of this secretive spending.

they want their pork but they don’t want everyone else to get theirs.

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Anonymous wrote:Now Trump wants to suspend the “ridiculous” debt ceiling until 2029 or forever.

Unclear how this squares with getting down government spending.

Its all completely absurd.

The Art of the Deal.

In and amongst the bankruptcies, lawsuits, and felony fraud, he's an excellent businessman and dealmaker. As we see.

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Johnson apparently has Plan C. Can hardly wait to see what this entails.

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What a wonderful start to President Musk’s administration. This is certainly a harbinger of great things to come.