Yet another GOP shutdown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the objection to Congress getting a pay raise - a COLA increase - for the first time since 2009.
Do you only want independently wealthy people to serve in Congress?

DP - I have long thought that the pay of Reps and Senators should vary according to the state and/or district they’re from and their pay should be tied to what lawmakers in their state make. So, a Rep from rural Kansas should make less than a Rep from NYC. They should each get the same basic pay but then have a locality pay based on their cost of living. Similar to how fed employees are paid.

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

Which party controls the House and wrote the 1500 page bill?

If you don’t understand the power pull between the current Republicans in office and Trump, then you haven’t been following the news. The whole point is that the establishment GOP and the populist incoming class are at odds with each other. And don’t kid yourself - pork like the Boston pride senior housing fund isn’t coming from Republicans.

lol everyone likes Pork, Republican or not.

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

Which party controls the House and wrote the 1500 page bill?

If you don’t understand the power pull between the current Republicans in office and Trump, then you haven’t been following the news. The whole point is that the establishment GOP and the populist incoming class are at odds with each other. And don’t kid yourself - pork like the Boston pride senior housing fund isn’t coming from Republicans.

Trump is a contrarion, he is at odds with everyone. It's not a good way to run a country, we already saw that the last time. So far, this one is looking to be exactly the same.

At least you're enjoying it. So someone's happy.

It will be worse this time around. Enjoy the holidays and then prepare yourselves. Dumpy used this as a get out if jail free card and Musky smell used this for power and more money for himself. The ignorant MAGA who voted for this will all see soon....although when you operate at low intelligence levels it's hard to make sense of reality so I'm sure they will blame everyone else. Sad and embarrassing country we have become.

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

Yet the spending is still virtually the same. The farmers are still getting their pork.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

You think the reduction in pages reduces the amount of money authorized? Oh, honey.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

Ra are making America great. /S

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

Why isn't this publicized more widely

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

Republicans protected greedy United Health vultures.

[Anonymous]

I wish I could fast forward three months.

The whining about how MAGA is losing before even being in office is epic.

I understand lefties are trying to hold ground, but good things come to those who wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could fast forward three months.

The whining about how MAGA is losing before even being in office is epic.

I understand lefties are trying to hold ground, but good things come to those who wait.

78 year old Trump will deliver as much good as our last unfit 78 year old mistake did. Zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could fast forward three months.

The whining about how MAGA is losing before even being in office is epic.

I understand lefties are trying to hold ground, but good things come to those who wait.

You are right, Good things will come for his billionaires friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the objection to Congress getting a pay raise - a COLA increase - for the first time since 2009.
Do you only want independently wealthy people to serve in Congress?

DP - I have long thought that the pay of Reps and Senators should vary according to the state and/or district they’re from and their pay should be tied to what lawmakers in their state make. So, a Rep from rural Kansas should make less than a Rep from NYC. They should each get the same basic pay but then have a locality pay based on their cost of living. Similar to how fed employees are paid.

I kind of disagree - technically their "duty station" is at the Capitol in DC and that's where their main work is supposed to get done, so they should all be paid the same.

I would suggest COLAs indexed to some figure like inflation rate -1 or -2% would be good, to also give them an incentive to pursue policies that keeps inflation low (and maybe a similar measure to disincentivize excessive deflation as well). I would however suggest docking their pay if they fail to pass a timely budget and docking it further if they require a CR and stop paying them if the government shuts down.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

Which party controls the House and wrote the 1500 page bill?

If you don’t understand the power pull between the current Republicans in office and Trump, then you haven’t been following the news. The whole point is that the establishment GOP and the populist incoming class are at odds with each other. And don’t kid yourself - pork like the Boston pride senior housing fund isn’t coming from Republicans.

lol everyone likes Pork, Republican or not.

Unfortunately but it’s time to shine the light!