Yet another GOP shutdown?

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

Republicans protected greedy United Health vultures.

Doesn’t belong in a CR. Period. Pass a separate bill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

How did you even type this with a straight face— transparency? From the guy who didn’t release his tax returns and kept paperwork in the bathroom? If you think you voted for “transparency” you were conned but good.

And since Elon got his ability to send more money and jobs to China, it’s easy for the rest of us to see who conned you.

I don’t care about the guy’s tax returns. Full stop. If the IRS had a problem with his taxes, they have a mechanism for that. Tax returns for everyone are private. I do care about Congress sneaking in a pay raise for themselves in massive 1500 page bills hoping no one notices.

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Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

Which party controls the House and wrote the 1500 page bill?

If you don’t understand the power pull between the current Republicans in office and Trump, then you haven’t been following the news. The whole point is that the establishment GOP and the populist incoming class are at odds with each other. And don’t kid yourself - pork like the Boston pride senior housing fund isn’t coming from Republicans.

Only a selfish, short-sighted sociopath would call things like cancer research "pork."

You can say with a straight face that because there was valuable cancer research funded, that justified 1500 pages of pork? The days of this sort of emotional blackmail in a CR are coming to an end and good riddance. Pass the cancer research during the year not during an emergency CR. Make Congress do its job outside of an emergency CR, during their standard session - they want a raise don’t they?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why hasn't Biden signed the CR?

Why would he?

Told you so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

LOL

Such a persuasive response.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

There was no sneakiness, nothing was hidden. It was all negotiated. You seem to be objecting to using a CR for an appropriations bill rather than a regular appropriations bill - but that's not a problem. It's just an alternative way to do things.

Negotiated behind closed doors and who had read all 1500 pages? How are you defending this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the objection to Congress getting a pay raise - a COLA increase - for the first time since 2009.
Do you only want independently wealthy people to serve in Congress?

DP - I have long thought that the pay of Reps and Senators should vary according to the state and/or district they’re from and their pay should be tied to what lawmakers in their state make. So, a Rep from rural Kansas should make less than a Rep from NYC. They should each get the same basic pay but then have a locality pay based on their cost of living. Similar to how fed employees are paid.

Totally agree. Pay should be based on their home district cost of living.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

You think the reduction in pages reduces the amount of money authorized? Oh, honey.

Authorized vs allocated/spent. Yes the difference matters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

Which of course means the government will be paying more money, not less, for Medicare. But the page count went down so the idiots have been appeased!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

Which party controls the House and wrote the 1500 page bill?

If you don’t understand the power pull between the current Republicans in office and Trump, then you haven’t been following the news. The whole point is that the establishment GOP and the populist incoming class are at odds with each other. And don’t kid yourself - pork like the Boston pride senior housing fund isn’t coming from Republicans.

Only a selfish, short-sighted sociopath would call things like cancer research "pork."

You can say with a straight face that because there was valuable cancer research funded, that justified 1500 pages of pork? The days of this sort of emotional blackmail in a CR are coming to an end and good riddance. Pass the cancer research during the year not during an emergency CR. Make Congress do its job outside of an emergency CR, during their standard session - they want a raise don’t they?

Emergency CRs are only necessary because Congress members aren't doing their job. Name five members of Congress that are doing their jobs at a high level on a daily basis? You can't because there aren't five high performing members of Congress.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

How did you even type this with a straight face— transparency? From the guy who didn’t release his tax returns and kept paperwork in the bathroom? If you think you voted for “transparency” you were conned but good.

And since Elon got his ability to send more money and jobs to China, it’s easy for the rest of us to see who conned you.

I don’t care about the guy’s tax returns. Full stop. If the IRS had a problem with his taxes, they have a mechanism for that. Tax returns for everyone are private. I do care about Congress sneaking in a pay raise for themselves in massive 1500 page bills hoping no one notices.

And that’s why no one can take his voters seriously.

Every president in history releases their taxes to demonstrate no conflict of interest= you don’t care.

The Congress published a document available for everyone on the planet to see regarding their pay rates= sneaking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

We already knew that Congress has not passed a budget in a long time. Elon didn't shine a light on that. He shone a light on his unfamiliarity with how our government works. His ignorance and inability to recognize it.

Ridiculous take unless you support a Congress sneaking in a pay raise for itself under an emergency CR instead of a standalone vote.

The American people have voted for transparency. The days of 1500 page bills with sneaky items snuck in are over. This is a good thing for all of us, since it’s not just the left sneaking things in.

How did you even type this with a straight face— transparency? From the guy who didn’t release his tax returns and kept paperwork in the bathroom? If you think you voted for “transparency” you were conned but good.

And since Elon got his ability to send more money and jobs to China, it’s easy for the rest of us to see who conned you.

I don’t care about the guy’s tax returns. Full stop. If the IRS had a problem with his taxes, they have a mechanism for that. Tax returns for everyone are private. I do care about Congress sneaking in a pay raise for themselves in massive 1500 page bills hoping no one notices.

And that’s why no one can take his voters seriously.

Every president in history releases their taxes to demonstrate no conflict of interest= you don’t care.

The Congress published a document available for everyone on the planet to see regarding their pay rates= sneaking.

It’s pretty clear that PP doesn’t understand the purpose of Presidential candidates releasing tax returns. Just another low-information voter that Trump relies upon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the objection to Congress getting a pay raise - a COLA increase - for the first time since 2009.
Do you only want independently wealthy people to serve in Congress?

DP - I have long thought that the pay of Reps and Senators should vary according to the state and/or district they’re from and their pay should be tied to what lawmakers in their state make. So, a Rep from rural Kansas should make less than a Rep from NYC. They should each get the same basic pay but then have a locality pay based on their cost of living. Similar to how fed employees are paid.

Totally agree. Pay should be based on their home district cost of living.

They should have a dorm for when they stay in DC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at the end of the day, the Congress negotiated a deal, Musk tanked it, the House passed a clean bill and then the senate restored everything in the negotiated deal except the things Trump wanted were excluded.

Way to go Elon, or something.

Wrong. The senate did not restore everything in the negotiated deal. The specific funds in the 1500 mega deal were stripped out (example - nearly four percent pay raise for Congress) but congress retains the right to spend up to that level, piece meal. Yes, way to go Elon. Shine a light on the spending. If congress wants a pay raise, do a standalone bill so the American people can see it - don’t try to sneak it in in a CR.

Sure. They stripped out rounding errors (*golf clap*). At least Trump didn’t get what he wanted.

Rounding errors? The pork is gone. You seem to note understand what happened. It’s the difference between maintaining a credit limit and actual spending, and changing how and when it occurs. Get off MSNBC.

Exactly. 1500 pages to 120 pages.

All the health care reforms were trashed - like the PBM controls and the extension of telehealth benefits for Medicare. https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/pbm-reform-government-funding-bill-telehealth/735837/

But Elon and Tesla can still do unrestricted business in China, so that's good, right? https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-china-continuing-resolution-budget-deal-proposal-2004103

Republicans protected greedy United Health vultures.

Doesn’t belong in a CR. Period. Pass a separate bill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand the objection to Congress getting a pay raise - a COLA increase - for the first time since 2009.
Do you only want independently wealthy people to serve in Congress?

DP - I have long thought that the pay of Reps and Senators should vary according to the state and/or district they’re from and their pay should be tied to what lawmakers in their state make. So, a Rep from rural Kansas should make less than a Rep from NYC. They should each get the same basic pay but then have a locality pay based on their cost of living. Similar to how fed employees are paid.

Totally agree. Pay should be based on their home district cost of living.

They should have a dorm for when they stay in DC.

I actually think that their states/districts should have to purchase homes in DC proper, like embassies. They move out when their terms are over. In the meantime, they have a personal stake in DC.