4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why his neighbors or parents didn't realize or notify police about the car he drove? It was all over the news.

It might be because there are tens of thousands of white Hyundai Elantras coast to coast. That could be part of it.

PP here. If I knew my friend or son or brother was enrolled in school and lived approximately 10 miles away from the murder scene and also drove a white Hyundai Elantra, it would give me a reason to wonder. I might even think someone had borrowed or stolen it. You wouldn't?

"The University of Idaho has 90 white Hyundai Elantras registered to park at the school, vehicles similar to the one police are seeking in connection with the quadruple homicide just steps off campus, records show."

But not one that mysteriously dissapeared across the country with a grad student who did not return for the rest of Winter break. Kinda stands out, don't you think?

Huh?

Not literally disappeared. He drove the car across the country right after the killings and never went back. That obviously looks suspicious.

He finished out his classes for the semester and went home for winter break, like tens of thousands of other kids from the school.

And if my son had that same car that was being reported in the news, plus knowing he attended school 10 miles away from the murders, I would inform the police.

No, you wouldn’t, because you have no reason to think that your son did anything wrong.

There's a gut feeling that most parents have about a child who struggles with mental health issues.

That's a bizarre take. The types of mental health issues that parents commonly encounter in their kids are things like depression and anxiety, not paranoid schizophrenia or psychopathy. Depresed kids aren't any more dangerous to others than their non-depressed classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

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I have seen students try to create distance with kids with issues, and the parents of the kids with issues tend to make it worse, instead of getting their kid the help they need. The administrators and the other parents know there is a problem, but the parents refuse to help their own kid. Terribly sad.

+1 Those 4 young people were like sitting ducks.

I am waiting to find out how he knew them. It should not matter, but it does.

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I’m also waiting to find out. I believe he interacted with at least 1 of the female victims.

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Anonymous wrote:He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

He was trying to lose weight because he was bullied. Are any of the PPs trying to tell me that his parents could not get him on a food/exercise regimen? Even if his family didn't have insurance ('cause I know y'all just waiting to make excuses for this BS) his parents could have easily....y'know, parented......and helped their son with his weight and then later, his drug problem. I don't even know where to start with this. It simply didn't have to happen. It did not have to end this way.

I feel like some of you are neglecting your kids, just because you actually want to play out some drama. If it's not you, don't worry about it. But if it is you, get help - for you and your child.

Who resorts to heroin for weight loss? I have struggled with my weight ever since I can remember, but you damn well better be sure my parents would rather have killed me than watching me shoot heroin to lose weight.

Who are these people trying to defend him and saying his parents were helpless? Were they deaf dumb and blind?

They failed on so many levels. They had so many opportunities to help their son and they just threw up their hands. No excuse. None.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why his neighbors or parents didn't realize or notify police about the car he drove? It was all over the news.

It might be because there are tens of thousands of white Hyundai Elantras coast to coast. That could be part of it.

PP here. If I knew my friend or son or brother was enrolled in school and lived approximately 10 miles away from the murder scene and also drove a white Hyundai Elantra, it would give me a reason to wonder. I might even think someone had borrowed or stolen it. You wouldn't?

"The University of Idaho has 90 white Hyundai Elantras registered to park at the school, vehicles similar to the one police are seeking in connection with the quadruple homicide just steps off campus, records show."

But not one that mysteriously dissapeared across the country with a grad student who did not return for the rest of Winter break. Kinda stands out, don't you think?

Huh?

Not literally disappeared. He drove the car across the country right after the killings and never went back. That obviously looks suspicious.

He finished out his classes for the semester and went home for winter break, like tens of thousands of other kids from the school.

And if my son had that same car that was being reported in the news, plus knowing he attended school 10 miles away from the murders, I would inform the police.

No, you wouldn’t, because you have no reason to think that your son did anything wrong.

There's a gut feeling that most parents have about a child who struggles with mental health issues.

That's a bizarre take. The types of mental health issues that parents commonly encounter in their kids are things like depression and anxiety, not paranoid schizophrenia or psychopathy. Depresed kids aren't any more dangerous to others than their non-depressed classmates.

Unless they are misdiagnosed.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

+ 1 what does being weird even mean? I might just saw x person is socially awkward but I don’t think he is weird while you might just say the person is weird. We can’t just institutionalize people because they seem neurodivergent.

We are talking about being "off" enough to kill. Please don't downplay this guy and what he did.

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Is it possible the white Hyundai Elantra is not really his, or that someone painted it white?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

+1 also where does it say that he was bullied? People are just making excuses for this POS.

Interviews from former classmates says he was bullied by primarily girls in high school because of his weight and social awkwardness.

Oh noes, someone laughed at him and he couldn't take it? Good lord.

A man's worst fear is that a woman will laugh at him. A woman's worst fear is that a man will kill her.

I have never bullied or teased anyone and have been the victim of it plenty, but this has nothing to do with bullying. This killer was a killer because he was a shit person, bullied or not, mentally ill or not.

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Anonymous wrote:He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

He was trying to lose weight because he was bullied. Are any of the PPs trying to tell me that his parents could not get him on a food/exercise regimen? Even if his family didn't have insurance ('cause I know y'all just waiting to make excuses for this BS) his parents could have easily....y'know, parented......and helped their son with his weight and then later, his drug problem. I don't even know where to start with this. It simply didn't have to happen. It did not have to end this way.

I feel like some of you are neglecting your kids, just because you actually want to play out some drama. If it's not you, don't worry about it. But if it is you, get help - for you and your child.

Who resorts to heroin for weight loss? I have struggled with my weight ever since I can remember, but you damn well better be sure my parents would rather have killed me than watching me shoot heroin to lose weight.

Who are these people trying to defend him and saying his parents were helpless? Were they deaf dumb and blind?

They failed on so many levels. They had so many opportunities to help their son and they just threw up their hands. No excuse. None.

You cling to this because you need to believe that something could have been done, that a diagnosis or treatment or intervention could have prevented this. Otherwise, it would be senseless, and random and tragic and could happen to someone you love.

You’re wrong, but I get it.

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Anonymous wrote:He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

He was trying to lose weight because he was bullied. Are any of the PPs trying to tell me that his parents could not get him on a food/exercise regimen? Even if his family didn't have insurance ('cause I know y'all just waiting to make excuses for this BS) his parents could have easily....y'know, parented......and helped their son with his weight and then later, his drug problem. I don't even know where to start with this. It simply didn't have to happen. It did not have to end this way.

I feel like some of you are neglecting your kids, just because you actually want to play out some drama. If it's not you, don't worry about it. But if it is you, get help - for you and your child.

Who resorts to heroin for weight loss? I have struggled with my weight ever since I can remember, but you damn well better be sure my parents would rather have killed me than watching me shoot heroin to lose weight.

Who are these people trying to defend him and saying his parents were helpless? Were they deaf dumb and blind?

They failed on so many levels. They had so many opportunities to help their son and they just threw up their hands. No excuse. None.

You cling to this because you need to believe that something could have been done, that a diagnosis or treatment or intervention could have prevented this. Otherwise, it would be senseless, and random and tragic and could happen to someone you love.

You’re wrong, but I get it.

I'm not clinging to anything - I am looking at all the mass murders we have had, by people who look very much like this guy.

Open your eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

+1 also where does it say that he was bullied? People are just making excuses for this POS.

Interviews from former classmates says he was bullied by primarily girls in high school because of his weight and social awkwardness.

Oh noes, someone laughed at him and he couldn't take it? Good lord.

A man's worst fear is that a woman will laugh at him. A woman's worst fear is that a man will kill her.

I have never bullied or teased anyone and have been the victim of it plenty, but this has nothing to do with bullying. This killer was a killer because he was a shit person, bullied or not, mentally ill or not.

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Yeah, but as long as this is true, and it is, the people creating these monsters think they don't have to accept responsibility. I think society is done letting them off the hook.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why his neighbors or parents didn't realize or notify police about the car he drove? It was all over the news.

It might be because there are tens of thousands of white Hyundai Elantras coast to coast. That could be part of it.

PP here. If I knew my friend or son or brother was enrolled in school and lived approximately 10 miles away from the murder scene and also drove a white Hyundai Elantra, it would give me a reason to wonder. I might even think someone had borrowed or stolen it. You wouldn't?

"The University of Idaho has 90 white Hyundai Elantras registered to park at the school, vehicles similar to the one police are seeking in connection with the quadruple homicide just steps off campus, records show."

But not one that mysteriously dissapeared across the country with a grad student who did not return for the rest of Winter break. Kinda stands out, don't you think?

Huh?

Not literally disappeared. He drove the car across the country right after the killings and never went back. That obviously looks suspicious.

He finished out his classes for the semester and went home for winter break, like tens of thousands of other kids from the school.

And if my son had that same car that was being reported in the news, plus knowing he attended school 10 miles away from the murders, I would inform the police.

No, you wouldn’t, because you have no reason to think that your son did anything wrong.

There's a gut feeling that most parents have about a child who struggles with mental health issues.

That's a bizarre take. The types of mental health issues that parents commonly encounter in their kids are things like depression and anxiety, not paranoid schizophrenia or psychopathy. Depresed kids aren't any more dangerous to others than their non-depressed classmates.

PP here. It's not a bizarre take. Not referring to depression or anxiety. Referring to schizophrenia and other severe forms of mental illness. Parents may not have a name for it, but most parents do have a gut feeling when their child "seems weird" or "off" or "strange." Those are terms parents may use to describe what they have observed

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

The confidentiality laws are really irrelevant. If you think there is an issue with your child, get them help STAT. If you think there is an issue with another child, distance might be the answer.

In either situation, the issue is if you feel that there is a potential dangerous situation, report, report, report. Trust your gut.

The problem arises when parents "cry wolf" of "bullying" in retaliation for their child being rebuffed - pointing fingers (and refusing to get your child the professional help they so obviously need) is not solution, if you are deflecting from your own potentially dangerous child.

PP here.i disagree that confidentiality laws are irrelevant. Many college students are too young, naive, and inexperienced to recognize mental illness in a roommate or classmate or new boyfriend or girlfriend. Colleges and universities should be told, and our children should not be rooming or sitting in classes with seriously mentally ill individuals.

Most college age children are good judges of character, and know when something is 'not quite right" with a fellow student.

We are never going to be able to over ride the confidentiality laws - so teach your child to be a good judge of who is who, to trust their gut, to get out of a situation, to create distance, and to communicate with at least administration and family.

I do not agree that we should all bear the burden of the troubled kids - but how do you think they got to where they are? The troubled kids did not become troubled with involved, selfless parents who care about them.

Can you point me to some studies that show how parenting is the root cause of mental illness? Thanks.

You do realize that mental illness is, more often than not, hereditary, don't you?? They used to think a lot of things were hereditary. It’s now being realized that growing up in that environment maybe more of a factor than genetics. ( adoptive parent)

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

He would have been accepted somewhere else and 4 other students would have ended up dead. Has nothing to do with the AO decision. By that way if thinking it was the AO who accepted intuba masters program somewhere else because if he didn’t get in there he wouldn’t have gotten into a PhD program. You can play that game forever. It’s no one’s fault but the cold blooded killer’s.

I just knew someone would have this rejoinder. Doesn't matter if some other school would have accepted him or he killed 4 other people. If I was the AO who brought him to WSU, I would know for sure that THOSE 4 students would be slive...and that would suck.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

The confidentiality laws are really irrelevant. If you think there is an issue with your child, get them help STAT. If you think there is an issue with another child, distance might be the answer.

In either situation, the issue is if you feel that there is a potential dangerous situation, report, report, report. Trust your gut.

The problem arises when parents "cry wolf" of "bullying" in retaliation for their child being rebuffed - pointing fingers (and refusing to get your child the professional help they so obviously need) is not solution, if you are deflecting from your own potentially dangerous child.

PP here.i disagree that confidentiality laws are irrelevant. Many college students are too young, naive, and inexperienced to recognize mental illness in a roommate or classmate or new boyfriend or girlfriend. Colleges and universities should be told, and our children should not be rooming or sitting in classes with seriously mentally ill individuals.

Most college age children are good judges of character, and know when something is 'not quite right" with a fellow student.

We are never going to be able to over ride the confidentiality laws - so teach your child to be a good judge of who is who, to trust their gut, to get out of a situation, to create distance, and to communicate with at least administration and family.

I do not agree that we should all bear the burden of the troubled kids - but how do you think they got to where they are? The troubled kids did not become troubled with involved, selfless parents who care about them.

Can you point me to some studies that show how parenting is the root cause of mental illness? Thanks.

You do realize that mental illness is, more often than not, hereditary, don't you?? They used to think a lot of things were hereditary. It’s now being realized that growing up in that environment maybe more of a factor than genetics. ( adoptive parent)

Thanks.

It is both nature and nurture, but some parents like to think it is just nurture, because then they can try to shirk responsibility. Were the other mass murderers adopted?

thanks.

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*just nature