4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

The confidentiality laws are really irrelevant. If you think there is an issue with your child, get them help STAT. If you think there is an issue with another child, distance might be the answer.

In either situation, the issue is if you feel that there is a potential dangerous situation, report, report, report. Trust your gut.

The problem arises when parents "cry wolf" of "bullying" in retaliation for their child being rebuffed - pointing fingers (and refusing to get your child the professional help they so obviously need) is not solution, if you are deflecting from your own potentially dangerous child.

PP here.i disagree that confidentiality laws are irrelevant. Many college students are too young, naive, and inexperienced to recognize mental illness in a roommate or classmate or new boyfriend or girlfriend. Colleges and universities should be told, and our children should not be rooming or sitting in classes with seriously mentally ill individuals.

Most college age children are good judges of character, and know when something is 'not quite right" with a fellow student.

We are never going to be able to over ride the confidentiality laws - so teach your child to be a good judge of who is who, to trust their gut, to get out of a situation, to create distance, and to communicate with at least administration and family.

I do not agree that we should all bear the burden of the troubled kids - but how do you think they got to where they are? The troubled kids did not become troubled with involved, selfless parents who care about them.

Can you point me to some studies that show how parenting is the root cause of mental illness? Thanks.

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I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

The confidentiality laws are really irrelevant. If you think there is an issue with your child, get them help STAT. If you think there is an issue with another child, distance might be the answer.

In either situation, the issue is if you feel that there is a potential dangerous situation, report, report, report. Trust your gut.

The problem arises when parents "cry wolf" of "bullying" in retaliation for their child being rebuffed - pointing fingers (and refusing to get your child the professional help they so obviously need) is not solution, if you are deflecting from your own potentially dangerous child.

PP here.i disagree that confidentiality laws are irrelevant. Many college students are too young, naive, and inexperienced to recognize mental illness in a roommate or classmate or new boyfriend or girlfriend. Colleges and universities should be told, and our children should not be rooming or sitting in classes with seriously mentally ill individuals.

Most college age children are good judges of character, and know when something is 'not quite right" with a fellow student.

We are never going to be able to over ride the confidentiality laws - so teach your child to be a good judge of who is who, to trust their gut, to get out of a situation, to create distance, and to communicate with at least administration and family.

I do not agree that we should all bear the burden of the troubled kids - but how do you think they got to where they are? The troubled kids did not become troubled with involved, selfless parents who care about them.

Can you point me to some studies that show how parenting is the root cause of mental illness? Thanks.

You can't just wash your hands of your kids, throw your hands in the air, and say "oh well - society's problem now!" That is not parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

+1

Wondering if the perp showed signs, or if he and the victims met before, and if the perp's family knew there were problems.

This will all come to light, soon enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

The confidentiality laws are really irrelevant. If you think there is an issue with your child, get them help STAT. If you think there is an issue with another child, distance might be the answer.

In either situation, the issue is if you feel that there is a potential dangerous situation, report, report, report. Trust your gut.

The problem arises when parents "cry wolf" of "bullying" in retaliation for their child being rebuffed - pointing fingers (and refusing to get your child the professional help they so obviously need) is not solution, if you are deflecting from your own potentially dangerous child.

PP here.i disagree that confidentiality laws are irrelevant. Many college students are too young, naive, and inexperienced to recognize mental illness in a roommate or classmate or new boyfriend or girlfriend. Colleges and universities should be told, and our children should not be rooming or sitting in classes with seriously mentally ill individuals.

Most college age children are good judges of character, and know when something is 'not quite right" with a fellow student.

We are never going to be able to over ride the confidentiality laws - so teach your child to be a good judge of who is who, to trust their gut, to get out of a situation, to create distance, and to communicate with at least administration and family.

I do not agree that we should all bear the burden of the troubled kids - but how do you think they got to where they are? The troubled kids did not become troubled with involved, selfless parents who care about them.

Can you point me to some studies that show how parenting is the root cause of mental illness? Thanks.

You do realize that mental illness is, more often than not, hereditary, don't you??

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

+1 also where does it say that he was bullied? People are just making excuses for this POS.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

+1 also where does it say that he was bullied? People are just making excuses for this POS.

+10000 to all pps.

Blaming it on mental illness or being bullied is just making awful excuses. Some people are just born bad eggs and shitty, evil people.

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He had been into drugs big time. There's your "mental illness."

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Anonymous wrote:I'd wish we'd stop rushing to blame mental illness for everything, as if that excuses or explains his actions. He could just be a garden variety evil criminal who deserves to rot under the jail for the rest of his life.

+1 also where does it say that he was bullied? People are just making excuses for this POS.

Interviews from former classmates says he was bullied by primarily girls in high school because of his weight and social awkwardness.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how awful you would feel if you were the AO who approved this guy's application to WSU. Obviously, none of this is the AO's fault, but you couldn't help but feel that if you had rejected his application for the PhD program, those four people would be alive right now. I would need therapy if I had been the one to approve his ap.

Due to confidentiality laws about mental illness, any of our children are vulnerable. You never really know a classmate's or roommate's history. Can be very scary.

+1

I have seen students try to create distance with kids with issues, and the parents of the kids with issues tend to make it worse, instead of getting their kid the help they need. The administrators and the other parents know there is a problem, but the parents refuse to help their own kid. Terribly sad.

+1 Those 4 young people were like sitting ducks.

I am waiting to find out how he knew them. It should not matter, but it does.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

They did. Look for interviews with people he knew.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

People with mental illnesses tend to be disproportionally the victims of violence, not perpetrators. And the people who come off as "weird" to a lot of people tend to be people with some level of autism. "Weird" doesn't equal dangerous. Sociopaths and psychopaths can be quite charming and socially adept.

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

They did.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering about his hometown and where he grew up and if he were noted as troubled and weird at a younger age.

Any info about him growing up?

seems very normal family, two sisters that are therapists, mom actually posted about tragedy of uvalde and against guns and for mental health resources.
no info on dad
fellow phd student said maybe he seemed socially awkward but nothing stood out.

Where are you seeing this? [b]God his poor family.[/b]

+1 Yes. No privacy any longer. Their work addresses and names are out there.

No, the poor families for those four victims. Could care less about his family and no I do not believe for one moment they did not know something was up with this freak show.

PP here. I agree that the parents likely knew something was amiss with him, but often families don't realize the degree of pathology.

There’s often not much families can do without the kid’s cooperation after 18.

True. Our laws need to be changed. Too many people walking aroubd freely when they need monitoring or possibly longterm hospitalization.

There is no such thing anymore. Remember? We closed all the asylums. There is truly no where for those people loved ones are concerned about to go- until after a crime is committed

The vast, vast majority of mentally ill people do not commit murder. Locking people up who seem "weird" isn't the solution. We don't even know if people thought this guy was weird.

+ 1 what does being weird even mean? I might just saw x person is socially awkward but I don’t think he is weird while you might just say the person is weird. We can’t just institutionalize people because they seem neurodivergent.