What is the End Game in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is spiraling out of control. Russia is losing and is now pushing for a farcical referendum for 'independence'. If it passes, Putin will then claim that NATO weapons are being used to attack Russia soil directly, which gives him pretexts to unleash the full might of the military, or worse yet, a reason to start using nukes because NATO is 'attacking' Russian soil. It is a joke of course, but if the referendum passes it will lead to extremely dangerous brinkmanship that really could escalate to nukes.

Isn’t unleashing the nukes like the ultimate step? Why does it need a pretext. Nobody will care for it anyway.
He might be bluffing though

Russia would use tactical nukes. It doesn’t have to be a warhead that’d decimate the entire planet.

Still bad for both Russia and Europe because radiation?
Not even mentioning Ukraine - nobody cares unfortunately

Im sure Russia would drop leaflets like we did in Japan giving everybody time to evacuate.
They probably feel like what Harry Truman said. “It’s either us or them to die…I choose them”

Russia is much closer to Europe/Ukraine than Japan is from the US

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is spiraling out of control. Russia is losing and is now pushing for a farcical referendum for 'independence'. If it passes, Putin will then claim that NATO weapons are being used to attack Russia soil directly, which gives him pretexts to unleash the full might of the military, or worse yet, a reason to start using nukes because NATO is 'attacking' Russian soil. It is a joke of course, but if the referendum passes it will lead to extremely dangerous brinkmanship that really could escalate to nukes.

Isn’t unleashing the nukes like the ultimate step? Why does it need a pretext. Nobody will care for it anyway.
He might be bluffing though

Russia would use tactical nukes. It doesn’t have to be a warhead that’d decimate the entire planet.

Still bad for both Russia and Europe because radiation?
Not even mentioning Ukraine - nobody cares unfortunately

Im sure Russia would drop leaflets like we did in Japan giving everybody time to evacuate.
They probably feel like what Harry Truman said. “It’s either us or them to die…I choose them”

Russia is much closer to Europe/Ukraine than Japan is from the US

That doesn’t change the fact that if anyone is dying there is no scenario where it isn’t the West. It might be both but it won’t be Russia alone. Plus Russia has dealt with radiation before on a large scale and survived.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is spiraling out of control. Russia is losing and is now pushing for a farcical referendum for 'independence'. If it passes, Putin will then claim that NATO weapons are being used to attack Russia soil directly, which gives him pretexts to unleash the full might of the military, or worse yet, a reason to start using nukes because NATO is 'attacking' Russian soil. It is a joke of course, but if the referendum passes it will lead to extremely dangerous brinkmanship that really could escalate to nukes.

Isn’t unleashing the nukes like the ultimate step? Why does it need a pretext. Nobody will care for it anyway.
He might be bluffing though

Russia would use tactical nukes. It doesn’t have to be a warhead that’d decimate the entire planet.

Ugh. This 1960s fear mongering of nukes.
There have been over 3000 nuclear detonations that we know of since WW2.

Some estimates at 2-3x that many.

1) Russia may have a lot of warheads - very, very detonators that work. They have to be replaced every 3-5 years and are super expensive, precise engineering. Russia did not maintain their tanks; which have a much higher probability of it being used than a nuke. Do the math.
2) nuclear weapons are incendiary bombs. They work very well against wood or things that burn. They do not do much beyond blast radius against modern buildings.
3) Russia knows they will be absolutely, positively erased from the earth by the west who has a very effective and operational nuclear arsenal. The west may use a third of their available nukes and exterminate all Russians slowly and conventionally. Or just let them do it themselves with what is left of their “country”.

[Anonymous]

Still no national address! Was supposed to be morning far eastern time; it’s now 1 pm there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is spiraling out of control. Russia is losing and is now pushing for a farcical referendum for 'independence'. If it passes, Putin will then claim that NATO weapons are being used to attack Russia soil directly, which gives him pretexts to unleash the full might of the military, or worse yet, a reason to start using nukes because NATO is 'attacking' Russian soil. It is a joke of course, but if the referendum passes it will lead to extremely dangerous brinkmanship that really could escalate to nukes.

Isn’t unleashing the nukes like the ultimate step? Why does it need a pretext. Nobody will care for it anyway.
He might be bluffing though

Russia would use tactical nukes. It doesn’t have to be a warhead that’d decimate the entire planet.

Ugh. This 1960s fear mongering of nukes.
There have been over 3000 nuclear detonations that we know of since WW2.

Some estimates at 2-3x that many.

1) Russia may have a lot of warheads - very, very detonators that work. They have to be replaced every 3-5 years and are super expensive, precise engineering. Russia did not maintain their tanks; which have a much higher probability of it being used than a nuke. Do the math.
2) nuclear weapons are incendiary bombs. They work very well against wood or things that burn. They do not do much beyond blast radius against modern buildings.
3) Russia knows they will be absolutely, positively erased from the earth by the west who has a very effective and operational nuclear arsenal. The west may use a third of their available nukes and exterminate all Russians slowly and conventionally. Or just let them do it themselves with what is left of their “country”.

What if Putin doesn’t care? He has his bunker… and will stick it to the west??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is spiraling out of control. Russia is losing and is now pushing for a farcical referendum for 'independence'. If it passes, Putin will then claim that NATO weapons are being used to attack Russia soil directly, which gives him pretexts to unleash the full might of the military, or worse yet, a reason to start using nukes because NATO is 'attacking' Russian soil. It is a joke of course, but if the referendum passes it will lead to extremely dangerous brinkmanship that really could escalate to nukes.

Isn’t unleashing the nukes like the ultimate step? Why does it need a pretext. Nobody will care for it anyway.
He might be bluffing though

Russia would use tactical nukes. It doesn’t have to be a warhead that’d decimate the entire planet.

Ugh. This 1960s fear mongering of nukes.
There have been over 3000 nuclear detonations that we know of since WW2.

Some estimates at 2-3x that many.

1) Russia may have a lot of warheads - very, very detonators that work. They have to be replaced every 3-5 years and are super expensive, precise engineering. Russia did not maintain their tanks; which have a much higher probability of it being used than a nuke. Do the math.
2) nuclear weapons are incendiary bombs. They work very well against wood or things that burn. They do not do much beyond blast radius against modern buildings.
3) Russia knows they will be absolutely, positively erased from the earth by the west who has a very effective and operational nuclear arsenal. The west may use a third of their available nukes and exterminate all Russians slowly and conventionally. Or just let them do it themselves with what is left of their “country”.

What if Putin doesn’t care? He has his bunker… and will stick it to the west??

Putin wins or nobody wins.

That’s warfare against the side with more to lose. It’s not rocket science and it was obvious from the beginning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is spiraling out of control. Russia is losing and is now pushing for a farcical referendum for 'independence'. If it passes, Putin will then claim that NATO weapons are being used to attack Russia soil directly, which gives him pretexts to unleash the full might of the military, or worse yet, a reason to start using nukes because NATO is 'attacking' Russian soil. It is a joke of course, but if the referendum passes it will lead to extremely dangerous brinkmanship that really could escalate to nukes.

Isn’t unleashing the nukes like the ultimate step? Why does it need a pretext. Nobody will care for it anyway.
He might be bluffing though

Russia would use tactical nukes. It doesn’t have to be a warhead that’d decimate the entire planet.

Ugh. This 1960s fear mongering of nukes.
There have been over 3000 nuclear detonations that we know of since WW2.

Some estimates at 2-3x that many.

1) Russia may have a lot of warheads - very, very detonators that work. They have to be replaced every 3-5 years and are super expensive, precise engineering. Russia did not maintain their tanks; which have a much higher probability of it being used than a nuke. Do the math.
2) nuclear weapons are incendiary bombs. They work very well against wood or things that burn. They do not do much beyond blast radius against modern buildings.
3) Russia knows they will be absolutely, positively erased from the earth by the west who has a very effective and operational nuclear arsenal. The west may use a third of their available nukes and exterminate all Russians slowly and conventionally. Or just let them do it themselves with what is left of their “country”.

What if Putin doesn’t care? He has his bunker… and will stick it to the west??

Russia would confirm it is a terrorist state that (maybe) can hit 10 - 20 cities with a nuke around the world.
It would be a slap to the west; and death for Russians in country and out of it.

American genocide of native Americans, interment camps and the German holocaust of WW2 would be a warm up for genetically dominant Russians around the world. New level of extermination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still no national address! Was supposed to be morning far eastern time; it’s now 1 pm there

They said between 9 and 10 am, it’s 7 am there now (in Moscow).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still no national address! Was supposed to be morning far eastern time; it’s now 1 pm there

They said between 9 and 10 am, it’s 7 am there now (in Moscow).

I think it’s getting delayed anyway… even past 10 am msk

[Anonymous]

Playtime is over folks.

The U.S. needs to halt all travel to/from Russia so that no more hostages are taken.

After that is done, the FBI and intel agencies need to stop "watching" Russian deep cover agents and start arresting them before they start operations. Only by active disruption can the U.S. keep the Russian operatives in this country off-balance.

[Anonymous]

Easy…to enrich Biden’s supporters

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/biden-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfers-report/

They’re not publishing arms sales and other defense spending for the first time in decades. Why is that? Is it because we’ve allowed defense companies to make money hands over fist to perpetuate war in Europe?

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/10/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-oversight/

The UK is making money too and why they pressured the Ukraine to go to war despite the fact a peace deal had been reached

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

[Anonymous]

Deep-Cover Russian Agents, people under their influence, and other "useful idiots" (as Russians call them) will start playing out these themes:
- Russia isn't serious. Russia is bluffing. China is a bigger threat. This is to lower the guard down.
- Current U.S. leaders are ineffective. The government is not your friend. This is to undermine people listening to official sources.

[Anonymous]

doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

There’s a famous story about Stalin that all Russians know. He gave a speech and everyone clapped. No one wanted to be the first to stop clapping and sit down. So they called for hours. Finally someone decided “this is ridiculous”, stopped clapping and sat down, so everyone else could. Guess what happened to him?
Putin has a lot in common with Stalin. A thug who was initially useful at carrying out dirty work, but who played some strategic cards and eliminated the right people to be able to move to the top. Eventually consumed by his own paranoia and unable to govern rationally but having eliminated or terrorized anyone that could contradict or replace him. Russia really does have the worst luck with its rulers. They range from “meh” to psychotic. RIP Gorbachev who may have been their best (although still not a great guy, at least a leader acted in his country’s interest).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

Yes. He, like mad men before him, will destroy everything around him and kill/torture countless people for power and ego. I hope those in power can find a way for him to end this war while “saving face.” Because that’s the only way this ends, I think.