What is the End Game in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

I don't have a good feeling about where this ends up. Putin has gone too far. He's not going to stop unless he's stopped, and I don't see that happening without Russia collapsing and becoming more of a danger than it currently is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

Yes. He, like mad men before him, will destroy everything around him and kill/torture countless people for power and ego. I hope those in power can find a way for him to end this war while “saving face.” Because that’s the only way this ends, I think.

You and the PP are making a fatal assumption that Putin and others in the Kremlin are capable of thinking like Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

Yes. He, like mad men before him, will destroy everything around him and kill/torture countless people for power and ego. I hope those in power can find a way for him to end this war while “saving face.” Because that’s the only way this ends, I think.

You and the PP are making a fatal assumption that Putin and others in the Kremlin are capable of thinking like Americans.

Fair point. What do you think that Putin and his buddies are thinking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

Yes. He, like mad men before him, will destroy everything around him and kill/torture countless people for power and ego. I hope those in power can find a way for him to end this war while “saving face.” Because that’s the only way this ends, I think.

You and the PP are making a fatal assumption that Putin and others in the Kremlin are capable of thinking like Americans.

Fair point. What do you think that Putin and his buddies are thinking?

They’ve lost a war that was only supposed to last three days.

[Anonymous]

It’s time to arm the Ukrainians with nuclear weapons. This is the only effect deterrent against Putin or trumpist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:doesn't Putin have any friends that will tell him to give it up? that he has absolutely nothing to fear from the west if he will just stop this stupid war? that there is nothing we would like more than to go back to peace? is it his ego? or does he really believe that we are so war like that we will continue this if he stops?

If that was true, UK and US wouldn't have worked to kill the Istanbul process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Easy…to enrich Biden’s supporters

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/biden-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfers-report/

They’re not publishing arms sales and other defense spending for the first time in decades. Why is that? Is it because we’ve allowed defense companies to make money hands over fist to perpetuate war in Europe?

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/10/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-oversight/

The UK is making money too and why they pressured the Ukraine to go to war despite the fact a peace deal had been reached

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

No one pressured Ukraine to go to war. Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Russia has also called for the complete elimination of Ukrainian culture and identity. It isn't just an invasion it's an invasion with genocidal intent. The choice for Ukraine was to defend themselves and maybe die or surrender and certainly die. To claim that the UK pressured Ukraine to defend itself is absurd.

[Anonymous]

Reports that they're conscripting men off the streets of Moscow. It would be kind of funny if Edward Snowden got sent to the front lines.

[Anonymous]

I want to see Steven segal at the front. Watch his fat, dumb ass get blown into a hundred pieces.

Also I would expect people like Alex ovechkin to be commanding troops by now since he such a pro-Putin supporter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want to see Steven segal at the front. Watch his fat, dumb ass get blown into a hundred pieces.

Also I would expect people like Alex ovechkin to be commanding troops by now since he such a pro-Putin supporter.

Thankfully Ovechkin and Orlov are safely back in town and practicing. The rest of the Caps' Russian contingent stayed in the US this summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy…to enrich Biden’s supporters

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/biden-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfers-report/

They’re not publishing arms sales and other defense spending for the first time in decades. Why is that? Is it because we’ve allowed defense companies to make money hands over fist to perpetuate war in Europe?

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/10/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-oversight/

The UK is making money too and why they pressured the Ukraine to go to war despite the fact a peace deal had been reached

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

No one pressured Ukraine to go to war. Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Russia has also called for the complete elimination of Ukrainian culture and identity. It isn't just an invasion it's an invasion with genocidal intent. The choice for Ukraine was to defend themselves and maybe die or surrender and certainly die. To claim that the UK pressured Ukraine to defend itself is absurd.

But Boris Johnson DID fly to Kiev to discourage peace talks. That's on record.

Russia has never called for the elimination all Ukrainians, that's bull.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reports that they're conscripting men off the streets of Moscow. It would be kind of funny if Edward Snowden got sent to the front lines.

Aw honey.

There is no Lenin Street in Moscow. There is no Lermontov Street either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy…to enrich Biden’s supporters

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/biden-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfers-report/

They’re not publishing arms sales and other defense spending for the first time in decades. Why is that? Is it because we’ve allowed defense companies to make money hands over fist to perpetuate war in Europe?

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/10/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-oversight/

The UK is making money too and why they pressured the Ukraine to go to war despite the fact a peace deal had been reached

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

No one pressured Ukraine to go to war. Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Russia has also called for the complete elimination of Ukrainian culture and identity. It isn't just an invasion it's an invasion with genocidal intent. The choice for Ukraine was to defend themselves and maybe die or surrender and certainly die. To claim that the UK pressured Ukraine to defend itself is absurd.

But Boris Johnson DID fly to Kiev to discourage peace talks. That's on record.

Russia has never called for the elimination all Ukrainians, that's bull.

Who the f++k’s side are you on?

[Anonymous]

It doesn't matter what Russia "called for". We can see what they have bombed and who they have killed and they are the invaders. The physical evidence of atrocities is there. There is no need to argue about what they said. We know what they DID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Easy…to enrich Biden’s supporters

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/biden-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfers-report/

They’re not publishing arms sales and other defense spending for the first time in decades. Why is that? Is it because we’ve allowed defense companies to make money hands over fist to perpetuate war in Europe?

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/10/ukraine-military-aid-weapons-oversight/

The UK is making money too and why they pressured the Ukraine to go to war despite the fact a peace deal had been reached

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

No one pressured Ukraine to go to war. Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Russia has also called for the complete elimination of Ukrainian culture and identity. It isn't just an invasion it's an invasion with genocidal intent. The choice for Ukraine was to defend themselves and maybe die or surrender and certainly die. To claim that the UK pressured Ukraine to defend itself is absurd.

But Boris Johnson DID fly to Kiev to discourage peace talks. That's on record.

Russia has never called for the elimination all Ukrainians, that's bull.

Yes it has. Repeatedly and to this day. The invasion even started with a declaration that this was to be the final solution to the Ukrainian question. And yes those words have referenxe the same thing in Russia as the US.

On Russian TV, which is completely controlled by the government, there are nightly calls to commit heinous war crimes against Ukrainians. Mobile crematoriums were one of Russia's necessary military supplies at the beginning of the invasion. Mass graves have repeatedly been found whenever a new town is liberated.

Now maybe you are double using the term Ukrainian. Maybe you are saying that based on our definition of Ukrainian that Russia is only calling for the extermination of some Ukrainians. However that's a word game too far because under the Russian definition of Ukrainian, which simultaneously exists and does not exist, they have repeatedly called for their extermination.