The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Anonymous wrote:What we do with the explosion of special needs kids?

There's no money or time for them as it is.

That’s because the average age of the mother at childbirth is rising. Mother Nature doesn’t care that you can’t afford kids yet; the best time, biologically, to have a kid is between the ages of 17 and 24. But obviously that’s very difficult to do in 2022.

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This forced birther has unwittingly tipped their hand. No, biologically, being a teenager is not the best time to have a baby, ever. The girl’s/woman’s body is still developing and her brain and emotions are still developing, too. This “between the ages of 17 and 24” is sexist and misogynist nonsense, the kind of crap MRA men use to try and cow women with lower self esteem into having a baby with them (and being yoked to them for life).

And despite what people like pp say, younger women are still the ones having the most babies, and they’re the ones having the most babies with special needs (and less money to deal with it).

Women get to decide what kind of challenges they want to accept as a mother. Since Down Syndrome is the best known and everyone wants to pretend that everything is all rosy for people with Down Syndrome because they’ve only seen the high functioning and healthy people with it, it’s not. People with Down Syndrome are on a continuum, some of whom will lead fairly straightforward, healthy, happy lives but even they usually need a few surgeries to correct various problems. Tell us again, forced birthers, where you come down on nationalized healthcare that might make it possible for woman who would carry such a pregnancy to term if she could afford the complicated healthcare her child would require, but can’t in good conscience do so when she knows she wouldn’t be able to afford the heart surgeries many high functioning babies with Downs need.

This all comes down to forced birthers hating women and wanting to punish them. No birth control. No choice in continuing a pregnancy. No say if a pregnancy kills you. No say in having a baby who bankrupt your family and destroy your marriage. There’s no kindness here, and beyond lip service, there’s no help for the disabled community among the forced birthers, either. You guys just hate women.

PP here that you responded to. I actually am pro-choice.

But, anecdotally (I’m from a small, poor area) the women I know who had children very young at 16-22 had almost painless pregnancies and births. Fertility wasn’t an issue.

What I meant to say was that people that young conceive so easily for biological reasons that one small mistake can leave them pregnant.

[Anonymous]

Not only do I support women being allowed to abort their disabled potential child, I support organizations working to cure such disabilities that some people think there shouldn’t be an effort to cure.

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Anonymous wrote:Not only do I support women being allowed to abort their disabled potential child, I support organizations working to cure such disabilities that some people think there shouldn’t be an effort to cure.

What are some disabilities that people don’t need to cure?

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Anonymous wrote:Not only do I support women being allowed to abort their disabled potential child, I support organizations working to cure such disabilities that some people think there shouldn’t be an effort to cure.

What are some disabilities that people don’t need to cure?

Some people oppose the movement to try to cure autism.

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There’s no prenatal test that detects autism.

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Anonymous wrote:Not only do I support women being allowed to abort their disabled potential child, I support organizations working to cure such disabilities that some people think there shouldn’t be an effort to cure.

What are some disabilities that people don’t need to cure?

Some people oppose the movement to try to cure autism.

Also deafness.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You may see abortion in very simplistic terms but I think you're neglecting to recognize that this issue is far more complicated for millions of people. You may see a fetus as a clump of cells under the total autonomy of a woman's body. Perhaps you see abortion as no more consequential as throwing out yesterday's stale bread. I see it very differently, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that I possess the absolute truth on this issue. My understanding of science and moral compass leads me to believe that abortion is murder but I'll also concede that I might be wrong, and this is why ultimately I think a woman should possess the legal right to choose. However, I think abortion is probably the most selfish and barbaric act a woman could ever make. To take a growing life with its own DNA and discard it for convenience is madness.

Parenting is the world’s most important job. It’s a lot more than inconvenience. And everyone should be doing it willingly.

So stick a rubber on it or take the pill. Use the rhythm method. Pull out. Abstain. Geez, there's a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy, and if you're not ready to become a parent, then don't put yourself in the position to potentially become one.

If you don't want to get drunk, don't drink. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a baby, then don't have unprotected sex.

How to to tell us you are a moron without telling us you are a moron.

Thanks for the kind words. I know how pregnancies happen and how to avoid one if I want to, which apparently is a concept you find bizarre.

It’s so odd that there are multiple free forms of birth control available and women can’t figure out how to prevent pregnancy. Many forms of bc have rates of 98-99% effectiveness in preventing pregnancy.

But women, who are so “sovereign” over their own bodies, would rather kill their own child than apply a few moments of responsibility to their lives, or ask their sex partner to do so.

You keep saying this. It is not true.

Also, those birth control methods that are very effective will be outlawed when abortion is. That is already in the works.

I can’t get over how many people on this thread somehow missed getting critical information and data about birth control (that *should* be covered in comprehensive sex education instead of the abstinence-only crap peddled by the right. That quote above about 98-99% effective means that even WITH birth control, there are still a sh*# ton of unplanned pregnancies. And this doesn’t even get to the point that men will pull off condoms during sex or refuse tonwear them.

Please, for the love of education and fairness to women, study this chart which shows how many unplanned pregnancies take place even with birth control measures. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/free-publications-women/birth-control-chart

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Anonymous wrote:NP. You may see abortion in very simplistic terms but I think you're neglecting to recognize that this issue is far more complicated for millions of people. You may see a fetus as a clump of cells under the total autonomy of a woman's body. Perhaps you see abortion as no more consequential as throwing out yesterday's stale bread. I see it very differently, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that I possess the absolute truth on this issue. My understanding of science and moral compass leads me to believe that abortion is murder but I'll also concede that I might be wrong, and this is why ultimately I think a woman should possess the legal right to choose. However, I think abortion is probably the most selfish and barbaric act a woman could ever make. To take a growing life with its own DNA and discard it for convenience is madness.

Parenting is the world’s most important job. It’s a lot more than inconvenience. And everyone should be doing it willingly.

So stick a rubber on it or take the pill. Use the rhythm method. Pull out. Abstain. Geez, there's a lot of ways to prevent a pregnancy, and if you're not ready to become a parent, then don't put yourself in the position to potentially become one.

If you don't want to get drunk, don't drink. If you don't want a ticket, don't speed. If you don't want a baby, then don't have unprotected sex.

How to to tell us you are a moron without telling us you are a moron.

Thanks for the kind words. I know how pregnancies happen and how to avoid one if I want to, which apparently is a concept you find bizarre.

It’s so odd that there are multiple free forms of birth control available and women can’t figure out how to prevent pregnancy. Many forms of bc have rates of 98-99% effectiveness in preventing pregnancy.

But women, who are so “sovereign” over their own bodies, would rather kill their own child than apply a few moments of responsibility to their lives, or ask their sex partner to do so.

You keep saying this. It is not true.

Also, those birth control methods that are very effective will be outlawed when abortion is. That is already in the works.

I can’t get over how many people on this thread somehow missed getting critical information and data about birth control (that *should* be covered in comprehensive sex education instead of the abstinence-only crap peddled by the right. That quote above about 98-99% effective means that even WITH birth control, there are still a sh*# ton of unplanned pregnancies. And this doesn’t even get to the point that men will pull off condoms during sex or refuse tonwear them.

Please, for the love of education and fairness to women, study this chart which shows how many unplanned pregnancies take place even with birth control measures. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/free-publications-women/birth-control-chart

Sorry - that quoted the wrong quote. I was trying to quote above that - the person who was saying birth control is 98-99% effective so unplanned pregnancies are women’s fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Not only do I support women being allowed to abort their disabled potential child, I support organizations working to cure such disabilities that some people think there shouldn’t be an effort to cure.

What are some disabilities that people don’t need to cure?

Some people oppose the movement to try to cure autism.

My youngest child is autistic, and autism cannot be cured.

Snake oil peddlers try to concoct regimens to cure autism. It is a developmental disability. All Cats Eat Mice: Autism, Cerebral Palsy, Epilepsy, and Mental Retardation…none of those can be cured. There are treatments and medications that can help, and early intervention and education can also help. But there is no cure as of yet.

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I guess people need to start keeping the cheapo Wondfo tests in every public bathroom and leafleting the backs of bathroom doors with the herbs and OTC meds that will cause miscarriage and how to take them (it’s actually not pennyroyal; pennyroyal can cause serious complications to the woman). That should catch 90-95% of women who need to not be pregnant without them having to resort to knitting needles.

Just to say once more: ending legal abortion causes abortion rates to rise and causes the injury and death of more women.

[Anonymous]

None of this fancy $10,000 vigilante stuff, just a straight up ban.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of this fancy $10,000 vigilante stuff, just a straight up ban.

They want women dead.

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Disgusting.