The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

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Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

Ok. And birth control that doesn’t work? Or any of the various other scenarios that result in an unwanted pregnancy?

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

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Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child is not wanted. I doubt very seriously that a raped woman wants to give birth to her rapist's bastard. These women are not brood mares for another woman's barren womb. Russia, and other countrie, use rape as a weapon of war.

And Republicans use pregnancy as a weapon of oppression.

Funny that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

Birth control isn’t perfect, and until you explain why you have such an issue with abortion that doesn’t revolve around needing more corporate slaves, or retorting to “it’s murder,” your opinion is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

I think it’s pretty clear that that’s what is implied in this phrase. Obviously we’re not there yet.

[Anonymous]

The right opposes social services and abortion. Pick one of the two but you cannot oppose both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The right opposes social services and abortion. Pick one of the two but you cannot oppose both.

Screw the right. They don’t argue for anything in good faith.

Shut them all down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The right opposes social services and abortion. Pick one of the two but you cannot oppose both.

You can when you hate women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

Birth control can fail. People can be raped or coerced into sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

You have heard that said… but I tell you that an adult being ready for sex does not mean that adult is ready for a child. And also that birth control is not 100% effective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Talk is cheap when it comes to pro-life first you think that more of them would be adopting children and trying to support child welfare. It is easy to be pro-life in abstract when you don't actually have to do anything about poverty, orphans or entrenched issues of the child welfare bureaucracy system

Indeed.

The famous quote that doesn’t make the rounds often enough:
““The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”” - Pastor Dave Barnhart

Wow. So true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk is cheap when it comes to pro-life first you think that more of them would be adopting children and trying to support child welfare. It is easy to be pro-life in abstract when you don't actually have to do anything about poverty, orphans or entrenched issues of the child welfare bureaucracy system

Indeed.

The famous quote that doesn’t make the rounds often enough:
““The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”” - Pastor Dave Barnhart

Wow. So true.

The whole forced birther movement is built on this sham which has at its heart not a concern for the unborn but a seething, steaming hatred for women.

Many of the forced birthers (certainly the loudest and most visible) claim Christianity as their religion, but this quote shows that forced birth is the least Christian politics possible. It puts all the suffering on the person with the most vulnerability and the most to lose and lets the forced birther off the hook without doing anything that will hurt them.

[Anonymous]

Horrible people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Horrible people

Standard issue Republican. It’s a great deal if you’re a Rapist, though. Not only do you get your five minutes of intercourse, you get to dominate your victim’s body for nine whole months by making her gestate your baby. If you’re lucky, you can even force her to pay child support for 18 years after that. It’s quite the deal, and very low risk too considering how few rapes actually get prosecuted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible people

Standard issue Republican. It’s a great deal if you’re a Rapist, though. Not only do you get your five minutes of intercourse, you get to dominate your victim’s body for nine whole months by making her gestate your baby. If you’re lucky, you can even force her to pay child support for 18 years after that. It’s quite the deal, and very low risk too considering how few rapes actually get prosecuted.

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It’s steps closer to the Handmaid’s Tale. How close are they to compelling women to accept rape, when it’s already tacitly condoned? If it weren’t tacitly condoned, it wouldn’t always be blamed on the woman and rape kits wouldn’t gather dust across the country.

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Oklahoma legislature passes full on total abortion ban
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/28/abortion-oklahoma-republicans/