The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

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Anonymous wrote:When the baby is already viable, you don’t need to “remain” pregnant. You are no longer needed. So why kill the baby?

Nobody has an abortion past the point of viability, for the most part.

Nobody? Plenty of babies are “terminated” past the point of viability. When so many loving women are infertile, and able to cover all associated costs, it’s anti feminist not to allow a simple adoption. It would cost you nothing.

It’s so nasty to unnecessarily end the life of your little girl (or boy), just to deny them to survive.

Stop lying. It would cost you body autonomy, physical discomfort and pain, time off work/school, possibly social standing, possibly some relationships, possibly your mental health, a few women would lose their future fertility due to complications from a pregnancy that didn’t even yield a child they were going to raise themselves, and most importantly: it would cost some women their lives. There are still women who die in childbirth. There are women who are murdered by sexual partners who don’t want a baby.

I suffer from infertility and I would never want another woman to be coerced into continuing an unwanted pregnancy just so I could benefit from her situation. You don’t speak for “loving women who are infertile.”

Also if people are so desperate to adopt how come there's still so many children in foster care who are searching for families? How come the pro-life people haven't adopted them all? I think if you are going to be publicly pro-life and you can be forced to adopt any child that needs a home.

Exactly. It’s all a big lie to keep poor people poor and powerless.

Yep. A teen or 20 something childless woman basically has way more options in her life than in much of history, and therefore she does not need to rely on bullsh*t service industry jobs, which is exactly what the Waltons and Co fear in their cries of a “labor shortage.” Their new insults: “workism,” “the childless left,” and “women working good UMC jobs need antidepressants.”

[Anonymous]

I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

Agreed. I went to school in what I suppose would be considered a very poor school district—75% FARMs and rising. I saw a lot to say the least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Talk is cheap when it comes to pro-life first you think that more of them would be adopting children and trying to support child welfare. It is easy to be pro-life in abstract when you don't actually have to do anything about poverty, orphans or entrenched issues of the child welfare bureaucracy system

Indeed.

The famous quote that doesn’t make the rounds often enough:
““The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”” - Pastor Dave Barnhart

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the baby is already viable, you don’t need to “remain” pregnant. You are no longer needed. So why kill the baby?

Nobody has an abortion past the point of viability, for the most part.

Nobody? Plenty of babies are “terminated” past the point of viability. When so many loving women are infertile, and able to cover all associated costs, it’s anti feminist not to allow a simple adoption. It would cost you nothing.

It’s so nasty to unnecessarily end the life of your little girl (or boy), just to deny them to survive.

Stop lying. It would cost you body autonomy, physical discomfort and pain, time off work/school, possibly social standing, possibly some relationships, possibly your mental health, a few women would lose their future fertility due to complications from a pregnancy that didn’t even yield a child they were going to raise themselves, and most importantly: it would cost some women their lives. There are still women who die in childbirth. There are women who are murdered by sexual partners who don’t want a baby.

I suffer from infertility and I would never want another woman to be coerced into continuing an unwanted pregnancy just so I could benefit from her situation. You don’t speak for “loving women who are infertile.”

Also if people are so desperate to adopt how come there's still so many children in foster care who are searching for families? How come the pro-life people haven't adopted them all? I think if you are going to be publicly pro-life and you can be forced to adopt any child that needs a home.

There are children ready to be adopted, but not through foster care. Foster care prioritizes the reunification of families.

Not true. Initially the goal is reunionification with families but in many cases that is not possible and then the goal can change. In either case there is still a dearth of foster families

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Talk is cheap when it comes to pro-life first you think that more of them would be adopting children and trying to support child welfare. It is easy to be pro-life in abstract when you don't actually have to do anything about poverty, orphans or entrenched issues of the child welfare bureaucracy system

Indeed.

The famous quote that doesn’t make the rounds often enough:
““The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”” - Pastor Dave Barnhart

I've seen that quote many times. The truth hurts folks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortions don’t fix these societal issues, but denying abortions increases the number of people affected by them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

Why should they? Because you said so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child is not wanted. I doubt very seriously that a raped woman wants to give birth to her rapist's bastard. These women are not brood mares for another woman's barren womb. Russia, and other countrie, use rape as a weapon of war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think everyone should have to spend a week ( in high school) following social services. It would solve this debate pretty quickly. When you see the the reality of unplanned pregnancy and unwanted kids, and how we don’t have any great solutions as a society. Currently the best solution is stopping unwanted babies before they are born.
I ask forced birth friends this question.
“ how would you feel If your own child was murdered by criminal who’s mother was denied an abortion 20 years ago?”
“ are you grateful that baby was born?”
Please remember that babies grow up.

I hate the idea that we can use a abortion to solve the poverty rate or the homicide rate or other wise. I am 100% pro-choice but I am pro-choice in a context where we can also change our social safety net so that every child is wanted child and everyone in our society has their basic needs met.

Abortion isn’t “solving” that problem but it does have that effect.

You’re getting at the root cause - along with better access to birth control (esp LARCs).

+1
Every child a wanted child. I think we all know families in which the parents seem indifferent, at best, to their children, or families in which there are too many children. I absolutely support a strong safety net.

Every child SHOULD be a wanted child. Every pregnancy should be a wanted pregnancy.

We aren’t there yet.

Adults should understand that being ready for sex means being ready for a child, and use birth control to prevent pregnancy.

Not everyone who has sex is an adult. Stop with this shoulda, coulda, woulda nonsense. 90% of people statistically speaking have sex before marriage.