PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

Which is why the vast majority of Christians do not mark Passover in any way; a few have Passover suppers which are simple meals; and a small sprkinklinh do host "Seders."

What is so damn annoying about this thread and the other, related thread is that a few posters insist that tons of Christians are hosting Seders. They're lumping those few Christians in with all, and making it seem like there is a huge problem and that MOST Christians are thus disrespectful appropriators.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

Which is why the vast majority of Christians do not mark Passover in any way; a few have Passover suppers which are simple meals; and a small sprkinklinh do host "Seders."

What is so damn annoying about this thread and the other, related thread is that a few posters insist that tons of Christians are hosting Seders. They're lumping those few Christians in with all, and making it seem like there is a huge problem and that MOST Christians are thus disrespectful appropriators.

literally nobody said that all Christians do. The fact that you turn this discussion into the persecution of Christians by Jews is ... something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

Which is why the vast majority of Christians do not mark Passover in any way; a few have Passover suppers which are simple meals; and a small sprkinklinh do host "Seders."

What is so damn annoying about this thread and the other, related thread is that a few posters insist that tons of Christians are hosting Seders. They're lumping those few Christians in with all, and making it seem like there is a huge problem and that MOST Christians are thus disrespectful appropriators.

literally nobody said that all Christians do. The fact that you turn this discussion into the persecution of Christians by Jews is ... something.

Show me all the Christian SEDER posts you are seeing on your personal social media feeds, and DC-area churches. Not the Passover meals, but the Seders. Since they are so prolific, I'm sure many links will now appear in your next post.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

Which is why the vast majority of Christians do not mark Passover in any way; a few have Passover suppers which are simple meals; and a small sprkinklinh do host "Seders."

What is so damn annoying about this thread and the other, related thread is that a few posters insist that tons of Christians are hosting Seders. They're lumping those few Christians in with all, and making it seem like there is a huge problem and that MOST Christians are thus disrespectful appropriators.

literally nobody said that all Christians do. The fact that you turn this discussion into the persecution of Christians by Jews is ... something.

Show me all the Christian SEDER posts you are seeing on your personal social media feeds, and DC-area churches. Not the Passover meals, but the Seders. Since they are so prolific, I'm sure many links will now appear in your next post.

We’ve already posted so many resources about this. Go back in the thread and you’ll find them.

[Anonymous]

But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

[Anonymous]

This article talks about how Passover Seders have become routine at American Evangelical Churches: https://spokaneorthodoxchurch.com/the-contemporary-protestant-seder-anachronistic-revisionism/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This article talks about how Passover Seders have become routine at American Evangelical Churches: https://spokaneorthodoxchurch.com/the-contemporary-protestant-seder-anachronistic-revisionism/

It's not even an article - it's a church newsletter from some unknown place in Washington state. We all can google. I belong to one of the largest Evangelical churches in DMV. We've never done Seders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article talks about how Passover Seders have become routine at American Evangelical Churches: https://spokaneorthodoxchurch.com/the-contemporary-protestant-seder-anachronistic-revisionism/

It's not even an article - it's a church newsletter from some unknown place in Washington state. We all can google. I belong to one of the largest Evangelical churches in DMV. We've never done Seders.

Good for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would like to start a new “Easter” tradition. We will have a festive meal in which we recount the long lists of false messiahs from Shabbtai Tsvi to Jesus. During the hours he supposedly stood on the cross, we will recount the names of Jews murdered in his name, of course we won’t make it very far through the list, given its size. I’m thinking Jell-O shots (WASP-fare) with blood orange emulsion (to recall blood libel), and peeps dioramas of auto de fes? I mean, Christianity is part of our history and freedom of religion and all that.

Wow. All of that is in the Torah?!? Who knew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

so you’re doing some kind of historical re-enactment? this is still so weird to me since Exodus and the last supper already have a clear place in Christianity. why do you need to have a seder?

No need for a historical reenactment. And we don’t relate it in any way to the last supper. That would be really weird. When our kids were still at home, we had a special meal and talked about the significance of the holiday in the Jewish faith. We told them the story of the liberation of the Israelites and the Exodus from Egypt. We talked about the importance of hope and faith. In perseverance and in triumph. We didn’t serve all the correct foods. We certainly didn’t try to recreate the rituals. However, I did want my kids to understand and respect such an important holiday. I’m grateful they had Jewish friends who invited them to participate.

Are people connecting it to the last supper? I’m not sure how that makes any sense.