PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

I follow the guidance of my doctor on this one.

It’s hardly the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

I follow the guidance of my doctor on this one.

It’s hardly the same thing.

But it offends me. I consider it to be exploitative and against the laws of nature. Don't my feelings matter, in your home and in consultation with your doctor and with your mohel or rabbi, or your pastor? Doesn't my perspective count when you consider the teachings, advice and practices of your community?

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

I follow the guidance of my doctor on this one.

It’s hardly the same thing.

But it offends me. I consider it to be exploitative and against the laws of nature. Don't my feelings matter, in your home and in consultation with your doctor and with your mohel or rabbi, or your pastor? Doesn't my perspective count when you consider the teachings, advice and practices of your community?

this is totally different from the problem with a Christian Seder. But clearly you are more interested in not listening to what Jewish people say about the matter.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

I follow the guidance of my doctor on this one.

It’s hardly the same thing.

But it offends me. I consider it to be exploitative and against the laws of nature. Don't my feelings matter, in your home and in consultation with your doctor and with your mohel or rabbi, or your pastor? Doesn't my perspective count when you consider the teachings, advice and practices of your community?

this is totally different from the problem with a Christian Seder. But clearly you are more interested in not listening to what Jewish people say about the matter.

Why aren't you listening to what I'm saying about this religious matter?

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

I follow the guidance of my doctor on this one.

It’s hardly the same thing.

But it offends me. I consider it to be exploitative and against the laws of nature. Don't my feelings matter, in your home and in consultation with your doctor and with your mohel or rabbi, or your pastor? Doesn't my perspective count when you consider the teachings, advice and practices of your community?

this is totally different from the problem with a Christian Seder. But clearly you are more interested in not listening to what Jewish people say about the matter.

Why aren't you listening to what I'm saying about this religious matter?

It’s a health matter. Surely you know that and are being purposefully obtuse.

[Anonymous]

The person mocking Jews on this thread is appalling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

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Anonymous wrote:So I guess I can have a minstrel show in my house.

Freedom of expression, right? No problems.

In your own home, yes -- you can do things that are not in good taste privately that you wouldn't do in public.

I mean, some would say you shouldn’t be offensive, even in your own home.

It’s a higher standard of behavior.

I mean, she me would say mind your business and stop telling others how to practice their faith. -np

I’m not going to explain religious appropriation to you once again because clearly you don’t care.

I don’t care what you think of my faith or how I practice in my home and in my church.

I. Don’t. Care.

I also don’t think it’s any of my business how you choose to worship in your own home or place of worship.

Yes, you’ve made that very clear.

I guess I can’t understand someone who responds to the statement, “this is religious appropriation and is offensive” with “I do what I want!”

You are a very different type of person than I am.

Yes, that is clear. I am the type of person who worships in my own way in my own home and in my church, and who understand that in this country, others are free to worship as they see fit in their homes and in their places of worship. I don't like, agree with, appreciate, or understand aspects of other religions. But I respect everyone's right to worship as they see fit, as their God or diety calls them to do.

Clearly, you don't think other people have the right to their own beliefs and their own traditions, practices, events, gatherings, readings, etc.

Yes, we are very different people.

Have a peaceful day.

I fully agree that people have the right to practice their religion how they want to.

I also think people should listen when others say that what they are doing is offensive, and consider perhaps altering their practices. It’s called being empathetic towards your fellow human.

We call out pastors who preach the Prosperity Gospel. We can’t stop them from doing it, but we can call it out as exploitative.

Similarly, we can call this out as religious appropriation. We can’t stop anyone from doing it anyway, but we can ask Christians to consider how it devalues our traditions.

PSA: Please stop circumcising your male children. It offends me. I find it to be exploitative.

Circumcision is fairly common for male newborns in general and the AAP says the benefits outweigh the risks: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/about/pac-20393550

But it offends me. I find it to be exploitative. I understand I cannot stop you from doing it, but I can call it out and ask you to consider how it devalues male babies and the laws of nature. Aren't you going to thoughtfully consider and respect my PSA? Aren't you going to change your religious and cultural practice because of my thoughts and feelings?

I follow the guidance of my doctor on this one.

It’s hardly the same thing.

But it offends me. I consider it to be exploitative and against the laws of nature. Don't my feelings matter, in your home and in consultation with your doctor and with your mohel or rabbi, or your pastor? Doesn't my perspective count when you consider the teachings, advice and practices of your community?

this is totally different from the problem with a Christian Seder. But clearly you are more interested in not listening to what Jewish people say about the matter.

Why aren't you listening to what I'm saying about this religious matter?

because you’re obviously just trying to discuss circumcision because you’re too fragile or anti-semitic to stand any criticism of Christians. go ahead and start a different thread on circumcision.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

so you’re doing some kind of historical re-enactment? this is still so weird to me since Exodus and the last supper already have a clear place in Christianity. why do you need to have a seder?