PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Christian and an Interfaith Minister. I’ve never met a Jewish person who took issue with non-Jews participating in a Seder. It’s a story of liberation. Of freedom from slavery. It’s not a “Christian” holiday. But it is a story of faith, perseverance, and triumph. Both Christians and Jews recognize the same Abrahamic God. The God that we believe guided them out of slavery and oppression. It is literally a retelling of a story from the OT. Most Christians do still believe the stories. Even those like me who view sacred scripture as mostly allegory understand the importance of the lessons in these stories.

People have explained this many times.

Surely as a minister you should realize the problems with appropriation of the rabbinic Seder?

But is it appropriation if done with respect towards our Jewish friends? I think claiming it as a “Christian” holiday would be appropriation. I think people of different faiths should recognize and celebrate other holidays. Although Christ is the ascended master I most closely align with, I follow what most would see as a more pagan/Wicca path. I love that more people are celebrating Eostre, for example. I think we build bridges when celebrate different spiritual holidays. I guess that’s what led me to interfaith ministry and chaplaincy.

There’s no way to insert Jesus into the rabbinical Seder in a respectful way.

I agree. I didn’t realize there were Christians trying to insert Jesus into Seder. I guess I should have read the thread more carefully. As Christians, we celebrate it for exactly what it is. Christ has no place in the story at all.

so you’re doing some kind of historical re-enactment? this is still so weird to me since Exodus and the last supper already have a clear place in Christianity. why do you need to have a seder?

No need for a historical reenactment. And we don’t relate it in any way to the last supper. That would be really weird. When our kids were still at home, we had a special meal and talked about the significance of the holiday in the Jewish faith. We told them the story of the liberation of the Israelites and the Exodus from Egypt. We talked about the importance of hope and faith. In perseverance and in triumph. We didn’t serve all the correct foods. We certainly didn’t try to recreate the rituals. However, I did want my kids to understand and respect such an important holiday. I’m grateful they had Jewish friends who invited them to participate.

Are people connecting it to the last supper? I’m not sure how that makes any sense.

ok so basically you believe you are partially reprising an actual jewish religious rite?

the point about the last supper was because other posters were claiming seders are Christian because of the Last Supper.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to start a new “Easter” tradition. We will have a festive meal in which we recount the long lists of false messiahs from Shabbtai Tsvi to Jesus. During the hours he supposedly stood on the cross, we will recount the names of Jews murdered in his name, of course we won’t make it very far through the list, given its size. I’m thinking Jell-O shots (WASP-fare) with blood orange emulsion (to recall blood libel), and peeps dioramas of auto de fes? I mean, Christianity is part of our history and freedom of religion and all that.

Wow. All of that is in the Torah?!? Who knew?

Like you know what is in the Torah, trumpy! LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

[Anonymous]

A Christian seder was my first, and very positive, introduction to Judaism. Living among people who were really racist, that was a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

We have said NOTHING about the Book of Exodus holding no meaning for you.

Celebrate it all you want, just not by appropriating the rabbinic Seder.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

for someone so obsessed with this topic, you sure seem unwilling to actually read.

NOBODY said that Christians are not allowed to read Exodus or derive meaning from Pesach. We pointed out that the story of Exodus is integrated into other parts of Christianity, most notably the notion that Christ is the Paschal Lamb represented in Exodus, and his sacrifice is observed in the Easter rituals for you. Likewise Christ’s sacrifice is observed in the unlevened host of the Eucharist (“do this in memory of me.”)

Conversely, the Jewish Seder is a wholly separate Jewish religious rite that has nothing to do with Christianity.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

We have said NOTHING about the Book of Exodus holding no meaning for you.

Celebrate it all you want, just not by appropriating the rabbinic Seder.

And has been clearly stated across two threads now: THE VAST MAJORITY OF US DON'T.

So instead of generalizing and throwing spaghetti at the wall, maybe try contacting the churches that actually DO do this, and have some productive dialogue.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

We have said NOTHING about the Book of Exodus holding no meaning for you.

Celebrate it all you want, just not by appropriating the rabbinic Seder.

I honestly think PP doesn’t or cannot understand that there can be a separate Jewish religious rite based on Exodus that is not Christian. They must believe that every single rite related to the Old Testament is equally Christian. Hence Judaism has no existence to them.

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Anonymous wrote:But here’s some:

Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

We have said NOTHING about the Book of Exodus holding no meaning for you.

Celebrate it all you want, just not by appropriating the rabbinic Seder.

And has been clearly stated across two threads now: THE VAST MAJORITY OF US DON'T.

So instead of generalizing and throwing spaghetti at the wall, maybe try contacting the churches that actually DO do this, and have some productive dialogue.

When did we say you all do? Stop putting words in our mouths.

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Reston Bible Church: https://www.restonbible.org/event/sederdinner/

Kempsville Christian Church in Virginia Beach: https://www.facebook.com/120792194598818/posts/4295882487089747/?extid=0&d=n

Arundel Bible Church: https://patch.com/maryland/odenton/ev--christ-in-the-passover-seder-at-arundel-baptist-church

Seneca Creek Community Church in Gaithersburg: https://senecacreek.org/event/good-friday-passover-seder-experience/

And what did their leadership,say when you contacted them directly? How did it go?

Wait so now you’ve moved on from claiming it doesn’t really happen to attacking us for not contacting these Churches?

Surely you first tried direct communication with churches that we're hosting events you found offensive to start a productive dialogue, yes?

Do you mean to tell me the only way you are addressing an issue that is important to you is by...throwing spaghetti at a wall on DCUM?

Huh. Doesn't seem very solution- and dialogue-oriented.

How do you know I’m not planning to reach out to them?

But sure — continue to blame the minority group. Great look.

How do I know? Because you haven't said: I will be contacting them directly, instead of making generalized and mostly inaccurate PSAs on DCUM. That's how I know. Care to correct me by declaring now that you will be contacting the actual places that actually do this directly?

Why do you feel the need to police my behavior?

You’re really something else.

OK, got it. You're not after seeking dialogue or solutions with people actually doing something that offends you. You're just wanting to generally spew vitriol at people who...aren't doing that thing.

You're not seeking to be productive, you're seeking to generalize and be divisive. Got it.

I don’t owe you a declaration. Whether or not I contact these places is not your business.

I think I probably will, but I don’t owe you information about it.

But I owe you details and justifications of my spiritual practices in my own home or house of worship?

Wow. I owe you so much personal information, and you owe me nothing. That is so interesting!

Me reaching out to Evangelical Churches doesn’t impact you, whereas religious appropriation impacts me, for all the reasons that many have laid out in this thread. How I deal with offensive practices against my people is not something that impacts you.

And I don't participate in Seders. But you continue to assert that the Book of Exodus and the themes of God's mercy should hold no meaning for me. Even though it does not have anything to do with you. You very much want to tell me what to think, do and believe. But I have no right to tell you what to think, do, or believe. Your feelings matter. Mine don't. I'm supposed to be sensitive to your offense, but my offense at being miscast and generalized is not something you are supposed to consider.

We have said NOTHING about the Book of Exodus holding no meaning for you.

Celebrate it all you want, just not by appropriating the rabbinic Seder.

And has been clearly stated across two threads now: THE VAST MAJORITY OF US DON'T.

So instead of generalizing and throwing spaghetti at the wall, maybe try contacting the churches that actually DO do this, and have some productive dialogue.

DP. This is a dishonest argument. Nobody ever said all churches do this. Some do. That’s the topic of this post.