Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans target white women by trying to terrify them about Blacks and immigrants and transgender and drag queens coming after them and their kids. It’s all fear and prejudice bigotry trolling, plus the women in patriarchal evangelical churches who can’t think for themselves.

Just continue the racism and sexism. What a winner of a strategy. It’s so discouraging to see Democrats embrace the worst of Republican strategies.

Listen to Republicans. It is all bigotry all the time. It’s all about protecting “us” (clannish white Christians) by kicking “them” (any and all who are not in the delusional cult). Trump, Speaker Johnson, Republican Governors, it’s all they do and say. Paranoid bigotry is their only message.

Yes, and it’s terrible to watch the Democrats enthusiastically following in their footsteps. The Democrats decided that since racism and sexism were successful for the Republicans, they’d embrace the same approach.

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans target white women by trying to terrify them about Blacks and immigrants and transgender and drag queens coming after them and their kids. It’s all fear and prejudice bigotry trolling, plus the women in patriarchal evangelical churches who can’t think for themselves.

On the contrary, as a white republican woman, no one is trying to terrify me about black men. Just this morning, I listened to an interview of a black man who is on the short list for Trump's VP-- one of two black men on the list. In general, black people tend to have value systems closer to white conservatives than white conservatives have to white progressives. Meaning, I find more in common with the average black man than with a white progressive women.

Fair point on the open border and massive expansion of the drag queen industrial complex. The possibilities are terrifying.

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I love that you have all that knowledge but that you have a terrible bedside manner.

What’s up with that ? You know what you are talking about but you are poorly trained in manners. Or maybe you require outlets for your aggression? Anyhow it’s not a good look you are wearing…
Maybe lose the first and last sentences? the zingers? They undermine you and your positions

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Anonymous wrote:Nixon didn’t give a shit about the environment. Congress was determined to create an environmental regulatory agency so the Nixon Administration cooperated to negotiate it be weak and toothless against big corporate polluters. Stop the gaslighting.

Where exactly in my post do I claim that Nixon cared whatsoever for the environment? Of course he did not.

You Democratic Party brown-nosers can’t even manage basic reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

I can. You responded to my post that my points were irrelevant since Republicans recently legalized automatic weapons. That's completely incorrect. For most of American history, automatic weapons have been legal, yet school shootings are a recent phenomenon. It suggests that your single factor analysis, per usual, is baseless.

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haha. you are hilarious. Thanks for the history refresher. I recall reading and learning all of this. We did have administrations that handed off things in the past. I hate to say it but the Trump admin did pass some decent laws.

Apparently the failure of the recent immigration bill was a travesty. I was bummed to learn about that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans target white women by trying to terrify them about Blacks and immigrants and transgender and drag queens coming after them and their kids. It’s all fear and prejudice bigotry trolling, plus the women in patriarchal evangelical churches who can’t think for themselves.

On the contrary, as a white republican woman, no one is trying to terrify me about black men. Just this morning, I listened to an interview of a black man who is on the short list for Trump's VP-- one of two black men on the list. In general, black people tend to have value systems closer to white conservatives than white conservatives have to white progressives. Meaning, I find more in common with the average black man than with a white progressive women.

Fair point on the open border and massive expansion of the drag queen industrial complex. The possibilities are terrifying.

Well the average black male voted for Biden in 2020 by 87 percent so I guess you have that in common.

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Anonymous wrote:Nixon didn’t give a shit about the environment. Congress was determined to create an environmental regulatory agency so the Nixon Administration cooperated to negotiate it be weak and toothless against big corporate polluters. Stop the gaslighting.

Where exactly in my post do I claim that Nixon cared whatsoever for the environment? Of course he did not.

You Democratic Party brown-nosers can’t even manage basic reading comprehension.

So you admit that Nixon and Republicans are regressives who don't care about destroying the country but somehow the Democrats are the far more evil party simply because they point those facts out. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

I can. You responded to my post that my points were irrelevant since Republicans recently legalized automatic weapons. That's completely incorrect. For most of American history, automatic weapons have been legal, yet school shootings are a recent phenomenon. It suggests that your single factor analysis, per usual, is baseless.

You can only legally own a fully auto weapon if you have the proper federal permit, which most gun owners do not possess.

However, there's a current Republican-driven SCOTUS case pending imminent decision, which would legalize bump stocks and similar devices which essentially turn a whole range of guns into rapid-fire death machines equivalent to full-auto rate of fire, except with less control and a whole lot more chaotic and uncontrollable spraying of bullets. Sure, that will make America safer, Republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a 44 year old Jewish Republican woman and proud of it.

Before around a year ago I was a very Liberal Democrat, then Biden proceeded to ally him with Hamas and helped them invade Isreal in their genocidal attacks on 10/7 and continue to be Hamas’ biggest supporter on the international stage, feeding them through the disgusting pier and ignoring Israel’s desperate pleas to honor our alliance by sending the might of the US Military to aid the IDF in their noble goal of complete destruction of Hamas and retrieval of every single innocent Israeli hostage.

After that, I knew I could never vote for a democrat or liberal ever again. I am going to be proud to vote for Donald Trump, who has been a true friend to the Jewish people, a hero worthy of succeeding David, Moses, and the other greats!

Biden has not, and never has, sided with Hamas. Where do you draw that conclusion? I mean, all the pro-palestinian supporters in the US are protesting against Biden. One of you has to be wrong?

How much “Humanitarian aid” has Biden directly funneled to Hamas through his precious pier and other obvious attempts to circumvent Israeli control of Humanitarian aid? How many brave IDF heroes have died due to Biden’s funding of Hamas?

At this point, Biden cannot hide his anti-semitism from the World. The ICC is issuing arrest warrants against Israelis, and instead of pursuing the reasonable military response such a travesty warrants, effectively nullifying Hamas’ new ICC SS corps, Biden continues to waffle around refusing to come to Israel’s aid.

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

I can. You responded to my post that my points were irrelevant since Republicans recently legalized automatic weapons. That's completely incorrect. For most of American history, automatic weapons have been legal, yet school shootings are a recent phenomenon. It suggests that your single factor analysis, per usual, is baseless.

You can only legally own a fully auto weapon if you have the proper federal permit, which most gun owners do not possess.

However, there's a current Republican-driven SCOTUS case pending imminent decision, which would legalize bump stocks and similar devices which essentially turn a whole range of guns into rapid-fire death machines equivalent to full-auto rate of fire, except with less control and a whole lot more chaotic and uncontrollable spraying of bullets. Sure, that will make America safer, Republicans.

Citation that most gun owners do not have proper permits, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Republicans target white women by trying to terrify them about Blacks and immigrants and transgender and drag queens coming after them and their kids. It’s all fear and prejudice bigotry trolling, plus the women in patriarchal evangelical churches who can’t think for themselves.

+1 ...and don't forget their stupid book bans + burnings just like the Nazis

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nixon didn’t give a shit about the environment. Congress was determined to create an environmental regulatory agency so the Nixon Administration cooperated to negotiate it be weak and toothless against big corporate polluters. Stop the gaslighting.

Where exactly in my post do I claim that Nixon cared whatsoever for the environment? Of course he did not.

You Democratic Party brown-nosers can’t even manage basic reading comprehension.

So you admit that Nixon and Republicans are regressives who don't care about destroying the country but somehow the Democrats are the far more evil party simply because they point those facts out. Got it.

For the record: I despise the Republicans. I just despise the Democrats as well.

In the meanwhile, could you tell me where exactly I said the Democrats were “far more evil”? Please provide the exact quote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans target white women by trying to terrify them about Blacks and immigrants and transgender and drag queens coming after them and their kids. It’s all fear and prejudice bigotry trolling, plus the women in patriarchal evangelical churches who can’t think for themselves.

+1 ...and don't forget their stupid book bans + burnings just like the Nazis

So are you okay with book banning when promoted by left-leaning school boards in blue states?

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Anonymous wrote:So Republican women are totally OK with being treated as nothing more than baby factories, as long as dirty brown people don't come across the border to take jobs no American wants.

Got it.

Posts like this make ME want to become a Republican.

—lifelong Dem

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me that Republican *policy* isn't geared towards denying women (and only women) reproductive freedom. And it's not just abortion - they're going after contraception as well. And the cherry on top is that they are proposing PUNISHMENT for having an abortion.

And spare me the lecture about immigration being a national security issue - if it was truly that, the GOP I used to know would have shut that shit off years ago. But Republicans don't want to solve the issue; it's too valuable to them as a wedge issue for political advantage. It's all dog whistles, and barely disguised ones at that.

The way I see it, any woman of reproductive age who still votes Republican is just like a Log Cabin Republican - willing to trade their entire identity for absolutely nothing.

How ‘bout I tell you instead that the holier-than-thou righteousness of the left is extraordinarily unappealing, even to people who pretty much agree with you?

Yuck

Are we not all stuck with these abortion bans because of holier than thou righteousness? Talk about unappealing.

NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks.

I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that.

To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives.

Really doubt that this post is made by a woman that has carried pregnancies and birthed babies. Poster after poster is pointing out all the things that go sideways with human reproduction. You just sound ignorant, inexperienced, and aggressively judgy about issues that have zero to do with sleeping around.

How many babies have you birthed? Any miscarriages? Fertility issues? Rapes? Fetal abnormalities?

2 kids
Multiple miscarriages at various stages
Minor age-related fertility isssues
No rapes
No fetal abnormalities

I am republican woman, 2 kids, 2 miscarriages, no major fertility issues, no rapes, no fetal abnormalities. I see more liberal woman with fetal abnormality and wondering if god telling them something.

What kind of person believes in a deity that causes misfortune to people who disagree with them politically?

God does not causes misfortune. He tells people not to kill, and if you proceed and kill the baby, then misfortune will falls on you. The God's words apply equally to all political spectrums, look at Biden's children.

So what does God think of His followers buying hollow-point ammunition?

And mass shootings are God's will. Too bad for those Uvalde kids.

No one finds this rhetoric persuasive.

May those little ones rest in peace.

It's pretty persuasive. I wonder what God thinks of you for not being persuaded.

I don't use dead children to antagonize strangers. Look up the Ulvade shooter. He wasn't a Republican. And you know what we didn't have when the nation had intact families and were raised with values? School shootings and widespread violence. You think the issue is guns. But the data shows that violence rose with the welfare state, which replaced fathers, churches, etc. I'm certain God approves of my choice not to take the death of children in vain. You've obviously had no dead children in your family.

This is why democrats will lose. A quick skim of this thread puts to rest the farce that the left attracts educated people. The complexity and coherence of the leftist argumentation on the last 2 pages should be embarrassing to anyone foolish enough to continue to identify as progressive.

Yeah, we didn't have automatic weapons when families were "raised with values", either. Values got thrown out the window when automatic weapons were legalized by republicans. Guns were more important than "values".

Automatic weapons have existed since the 1700s. Fully automatic since the 1800s. Read history.

Call it what you want. Republicans made school shootings possible. They think guns are more important than "values". You can't prezel logic your way out that fact. And God is judging you for it.

I can. You responded to my post that my points were irrelevant since Republicans recently legalized automatic weapons. That's completely incorrect. For most of American history, automatic weapons have been legal, yet school shootings are a recent phenomenon. It suggests that your single factor analysis, per usual, is baseless.

You can only legally own a fully auto weapon if you have the proper federal permit, which most gun owners do not possess.

However, there's a current Republican-driven SCOTUS case pending imminent decision, which would legalize bump stocks and similar devices which essentially turn a whole range of guns into rapid-fire death machines equivalent to full-auto rate of fire, except with less control and a whole lot more chaotic and uncontrollable spraying of bullets. Sure, that will make America safer, Republicans.

Citation that most gun owners do not have proper permits, please.

Check ATF. Purchasing and owning a fully automatic weapon is legal but is not the same as purchasing and owning a conventional gun. There is a more rigorous background check, which takes much longer than a standard background check. Their usage is restricted, for example a full auto rifle may not be used for hunting. ALL transfers of full auto rifles must be approved by ATF, whereas this is not the case for private sales of conventional guns. Full auto rifles are required to be registered with ATF, whereas registration of conventional guns varies by jurisdiction. There is a $200 transfer tax for full auto rifles, but not for conventional guns. Over 80 million Americans own conventional guns whereas less than 1% of American gun owners have gone through the process to legally own a full auto rifle.