Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

I think we have an overabundance of empathy coupled with the puritanical belief that no one is irredeemable. Thus we spend exorbitant amounts of money and human resources on people and procedures with little promise of success which them siphons off resources that could address the cause not the symptoms of the problems in our society. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

I think we have an overabundance of empathy coupled with the puritanical belief that no one is irredeemable. Thus we spend exorbitant amounts of money and human resources on people and procedures with little promise of success which them siphons off resources that could address the cause not the symptoms of the problems in our society. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

+1

The top quote oversimplifies very serious societal issues. Very much like one of the earliest posters that said if you get on the subway and there’s a disturbance, vomit, or something…you just move to the next car. While the above religious poster might feel good for a second giving out cash…that cash is likely enabling a drug addiction. Overall cause needs to be addressed.

[Anonymous]

Very sad situation. And I think we’re going to see a lot more of this type of thing with mentally ill and/or drug affected people everywhere these days and regular people having enough of it. Nobody should need to fear catching public transit to work due to crime or mentally ill people in this country.

[Anonymous]

Newly was not violent. He did not touch anyone. The marine should be arrested and charged with murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Newly was not violent. He did not touch anyone. The marine should be arrested and charged with murder.

The multiple 911 calls do not support your statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

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How many homeless people are you hosting in your house in Chevy chase, friend?

Do you often ask idiotic and irrelevant questions, friend?

[Anonymous]

BLM isn’t doing anyone any favors making this a racial incident. It wasn’t.

They are still investigating but it seems like they had three men who really didn’t know what they were doing, the army guy especially. It’s a tough call when someone thinks they’re helping and they do more harm than good.

Just a sad story. I always tell my daughters to stand with their back leaning on the wall and they take Ubers after midnight.

[Anonymous]

You know what? We’re on page 35 and just going in boring circles at this point. So let’s cut to the chase:

I don’t much care about the welfare of the drug addicted mentally ill. Not on the subway, not on the sidewalk outside my office, not in their disgusting tents that we’ve apparently just decided to make permanent fixtures in the nation’s capital. And the liberal among you with (allegedly) more empathy need to do better than “thoughts and prayers” that these situations will magically improve. Every single city in the US that has adopted leftist policies toward crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. is an absolute sewer where this stuff is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.

This particular guy was a violent threat to everyone in that subway car. The marine and others who held him down were risking their own lives in public service. As it happens I don’t know how to put a violent man in a choke hold and subdue him, so I likely would have shot him with my CCW if put in the same situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BLM isn’t doing anyone any favors making this a racial incident. It wasn’t.

They are still investigating but it seems like they had three men who really didn’t know what they were doing, the army guy especially. It’s a tough call when someone thinks they’re helping and they do more harm than good.

Just a sad story. I always tell my daughters to stand with their back leaning on the wall and they take Ubers after midnight.

Are you referring to the Marine or was one of them an Army guy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newly was not violent. He did not touch anyone. The marine should be arrested and charged with murder.

The multiple 911 calls do not support your statements.

The statements from witnesses say that he touched no one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newly was not violent. He did not touch anyone. The marine should be arrested and charged with murder.

The multiple 911 calls do not support your statements.

The statements from witnesses say that he touched no one.

NP. If a person behaves erratically on an airplane, they are taken down regardless of whether they’ve touched anyone. This is no different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what? We’re on page 35 and just going in boring circles at this point. So let’s cut to the chase:

I don’t much care about the welfare of the drug addicted mentally ill. Not on the subway, not on the sidewalk outside my office, not in their disgusting tents that we’ve apparently just decided to make permanent fixtures in the nation’s capital. And the liberal among you with (allegedly) more empathy need to do better than “thoughts and prayers” that these situations will magically improve. Every single city in the US that has adopted leftist policies toward crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. is an absolute sewer where this stuff is happening at an exponentially increasing rate.

This particular guy was a violent threat to everyone in that subway car. The marine and others who held him down were risking their own lives in public service. As it happens I don’t know how to put a violent man in a choke hold and subdue him, so I likely would have shot him with my CCW if put in the same situation.

Wow. Thanks for just outright admitting it. Statements like yours just make it clear to me how much hate people have for each other in our society these days. You should be loud and proud about your beliefs so that people who have to encounter you can see what they are up against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newly was not violent. He did not touch anyone. The marine should be arrested and charged with murder.

The multiple 911 calls do not support your statements.

The statements from witnesses say that he touched no one.

NP. If a person behaves erratically on an airplane, they are taken down regardless of whether they’ve touched anyone. This is no different.

Not before 2001. The reason is that planes can be used as a missile. Ranting guy on a random subway car cannot hijack the train.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BLM isn’t doing anyone any favors making this a racial incident. It wasn’t.

They are still investigating but it seems like they had three men who really didn’t know what they were doing, the army guy especially. It’s a tough call when someone thinks they’re helping and they do more harm than good.

Just a sad story. I always tell my daughters to stand with their back leaning on the wall and they take Ubers after midnight.

What army guy?

[Anonymous]

Neely was a one man crime wave with a rap sheet longer than the tale of two cities. His crimes have included multiple instances of where he punched women in the face, including elderly people. Unfortunately once someone stood up to him it led to his death. The dude should have never been on the streets in the first place, and should have been in jail or a mental institution.