Homeless Man Killed by Fellow Passenger on NYC Subway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

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How many homeless people are you hosting in your house in Chevy chase, friend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

DP. Yes, it does seem like the problems in DC are different than the problems in NY. Whatever the problems with homeless people in DC, homeless people in DC do not seem to punch people or push them in front of trains. They do in NYC though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

are you a man or a woman?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

DP. Yes, it does seem like the problems in DC are different than the problems in NY. Whatever the problems with homeless people in DC, homeless people in DC do not seem to punch people or push them in front of trains. They do in NYC though.

Yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

CCNV may have been a big shelter but it was nothing like the Bowery in NY or Skid Row in LA. And NYC crazy is just a whole different level of crazy than DC. The sanctimonious attitude of PP means zilch once you’ve really been accosted a few time by angry, crazy, smelly, crazies in NYC.

[Anonymous]

This is a great post.

The full Twitter post is below, but his video message is equally as powerful.

It's really sad that Jordan Neely, as wrong as he was in a lot of situations is having his corpse dragged about social media for politicians to push nebulous platforms of "anti-racism" that they know they can't do anything towards.

I also hate it for the Marine and those other guys on the subway who prob just needed the public transit because New York City has disincentivised car usage. They get to be subjected to this stuff.

But the system as a whole is Broken. Neely should have never been in the subways as there's a provision for people like him known as Kendra's Law for people who are unhinged and a danger to themselves and others. Named after Kendra Webdsle who was pushed onto SUBWAY tracks by a man with Schizophrenia, it is supposed to be an alternative to keep close watch and supervision over people like Jordan Neely but the same idiots who are calling Neely's death "White supremacy" called this law:

-Discriminatory
-Targeting people of Color
-Invalidating the rights and autonomy of the mentally ill
-Fostering a distrust between Provider and Patient
-Wasteful as it diverted resources & was coercive.

Now look. Those same progressives now double dip on the tragedy bus and use the death of a black man with mental illness and possible destruction of the lives of people who stepped in to restrain him as political fuel and click bait to keep creating stupid campaigns where they only attack symptoms and make the overall problem worse.

Watch some FULL videos of Neely, watch videos of the actual event and note how many people needed to restrain him and that the hold fell within NYs use of force guidelines to "negate the threat" (Neely kept struggling and would not stop fighting or thrashing despite the hold being loose.)

People who have never fought or wrestle will claim this to be a "Lethal hold" not understanding what ACTUAL strangulation looks like when you actually sink a hold like that in. Also consider that we don't even have a Toxicology Report yet and you can REALLY see how stupid a lot of the Activist claims are.

But don't expect brilliance from AOC, Tlaib, Pressley, or any of the "Activist" politicians making this situation worse.

[Anonymous]

Is it really kind to leave the mentally ill untreated and living on the street? Throwing them a few bucks or providing food doesn't do anything to solve the root problem. When people start making religious arguments about caring for the less fortunate, I think we can do better than just ensure they don't starve. That's literally the least you can do. Yes, involuntary detention will be necessary for these individuals. That's a kindness, not a punishment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it really kind to leave the mentally ill untreated and living on the street? Throwing them a few bucks or providing food doesn't do anything to solve the root problem. When people start making religious arguments about caring for the less fortunate, I think we can do better than just ensure they don't starve. That's literally the least you can do. Yes, involuntary detention will be necessary for these individuals. That's a kindness, not a punishment.

The mob isn't concerned about their kindness or the government's benevolence. The only thing on trial here is the common person, unaffected by mental illness, poverty, etc. Read this thread: why didn't they arrive at the subway that morning, carrying food and water to pacify the violent and the unwell? It's not our collective problem anymore, it is the problem of each individual subway rider.

When you see all the people streaming out of NYC, LA, SF, etc and moving to the sunbelt, consider for a moment that they may be rational actors making a decision that anyone in their position might.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The marine was a hero protecting NYC residents from violent, unhinged trash. Unless you’ve lived in NYC do not come on here and spout your nonsense. That dead man’s family and city government failed him and it was left to others to police his vile, out-of-control behavior. Good riddance.

I don’t live in NYC but I agree with you because I haven’t lost all common sense like so many Americans nowadays

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Society has basically washed its hands of dealing with violent mentally ill and homeless people, and individuals are left to defend themselves. In this new paradigm, the homeless and mentally ill cannot be locked up, but if you misjudge a situation and hurt them, you will go to jail. I'm sure the Marine will go to jail. But if the situation were reversed and the mentally ill man killed the Marine, no one would be talking about this at all. We are a truly sick society.

How most people deal with this is by moving as far away from this problem as possible. We pay out the nose for homes in "safe" neighborhoods (no section 8 housing nearby), and to send our kids to private school (no underperforiming trouble makers who suck 90% of the teacher's attention).

We find ways to inoculate our daily lives from the other half and the upside-down rules of navigating that half.

When actually face to face with members of that other half, we just get up and leave like most people on the subway do when faced with a homeless nutjob and forget about that unpleasant experience promptly.

Americans talk the talk about DEI and social justice but do not walk it.

This is very true. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer neighborhoods where one is guaranteed to not run into homeless, mentally ill, etc. and those neighborhoods are getting more and more expensive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I can’t help thinking what might have happened if someone on that train just offered the guy a water bottle and the lunch or snack they had in their bag.

On the 1 train during the morning commute in NYC, a homeless guy went around asking for food or money. Someone kindly offered him the yogurt and apple she was bringing to her office for breakfast. The homeless guy was peeved and threw the yogurt and apple down on the floor whereupon the yogurt container broke and splattered. And he was yelling about how he didn't want that kind of food.

I ride the subway everyday to work and when angry nutsos like this show up, people usually leave the car immediately. Nobody wants to sit around and see how unhinged these people can become.
This guy who was in a chokehold already had 2 records of assaulting women. Most people get up and leave the presence of people like this because of the possibility that he/she chooses you to vent their spleen. Most of us are sick of having to go out of our way to avoid them. I think the guy who put him in a chokehold was probably sick of seeing this tyranny of the homeless over the MTA like most of us are.
Back in the 80s and 90s, the Guardian Angels rode the subway, you could tell who they were by their outfit and how buff they were. They just quietly stood around. Nobody messed around when they were in the car. We really need them back.

+1.
Today a homeless man on the street asked me for food. He was polite and elderly. I gave him some of the groceries I was carrying.
This is a very different scenario from an aggressive, mentality unstable person in an enclosed space with no escape option. Yes, we should be kind and not turn our backs on those in need. We should also be vigilant and aware of our surroundings at all times. I am the mother of young children and don’t want them orphaned because I tried to help someone who is beyond help.

What if I don’t want to be approached by anyone panhandling? The country is rich, people pay taxes, there are services, why should I be subjected to this?
I am poor but I don’t walk around asking people for food, I apply for benefits and make do with what I have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A different former prosecutor here, I have watched the video and I think the former Marine gets convicted of whatever form of homicide he is properly charged with. He choked the guy several minutes beyond the guy going limp and unresponsive, while bystanders filmed and urged him to let go. The case is almost exactly the same as Floyd, .

To me there is a huge difference in my expectations for the police to NOT "accidentally" kneel on a guy til he's dead, and a random passenger on the subway subduing a passenger.

Put me on that jury, I'm not convicting this guy.

- I only vote Dem

Yeah I guarantee the prosecutors don’t want to go anywhere near this landmine. The highly decorated Marine isn’t going to be convicted.

I hope you are right. If you are there is still hope for this country as there’s common sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What if I don’t want to be approached by anyone panhandling? The country is rich, people pay taxes, there are services, why should I be subjected to this?
I am poor but I don’t walk around asking people for food, I apply for benefits and make do with what I have.

Panhandlers are not murderers, sorry to break it to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kind of shocked by how sanctimonious some people are so quick to condemn this marine, when they themselves are sheltered from the problem, and don't expect to be in a situation threatened by mentally ill people roaming the streets.

Someone actually suggested giving him some water, lol. All you sanctimonious people need to go out and see the problem for yourselves. Get out of your protected bubble before you condemn this marine.

I attended law school at Georgetown in the late 90s when there was a significant homeless problem in DC and the law school is right next door to CCNV, the largest homeless shelter in the country at that time. I had numerous conversations and interactions with homeless people, including some who were clearly in florid psychosis. I never really felt unsafe and yes, I handed out water and food and money too. Just a dumb hick from rural New England who actually believed the stuff they taught in Sunday school about how the extent of our love for Christ is reflected in how we treat the least of these.

This earthly world is full of wounded souls walking around bouncing off each other, sometimes causing more wounds - but always with an opportunity to make a real human connection and feed healing. I chose not to step over, ignore or run away from the homeless people I encountered in my journey and I know that I was a real human connection for the people I encountered, that they saw that I was seeing them and had empathy for their suffering.

We are so disconnected from the golden rule and the equivalent manifestations in the major religious traditions. We don’t see the homeless except as a nuisance, an other and a threat. Sadly we don’t even see our own children and what is happening to them in this despairing and careless society. I don’t have easy answers but certainly I know we are throwing good money after a lot of bad and neglecting the least of these among us. I’m sad to see us on this path.

You are comparing two completely different situations.

You were freely OUTSIDE, not locked in an enclosed tube traveling underground.

You approached these people to hand them food and money--they weren't thrashing about closer and closer to the place where you had no ability to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What if I don’t want to be approached by anyone panhandling? The country is rich, people pay taxes, there are services, why should I be subjected to this?
I am poor but I don’t walk around asking people for food, I apply for benefits and make do with what I have.

Panhandlers are not murderers, sorry to break it to you.

Straw man as expected
I don’t want to be approached by anyone panhandling. Got it?