Magruder HS Shooting

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

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Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

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Anonymous wrote:https://wjla.com/news/local/magruder-high-school-derwood-shooting-student-bathroom-montgomery-county-public-schools-lockdown-police-officers-mcknight

This timeline is extremely disturbing.

Wow. I am totally shook at the timeline and misinformation from MCPS after a shooting at Magruder.

The knee jerk reaction was to attempt passing off a shooting as a medical emergency???? What type of BS MCPS Administrator training teaches principals to not be upfront and honest with the community that a student had been shot in the school bathroom???? This is why parents no longer have any trust in MCPS. Flat out deceptive lies.

A situation of the magnitude of a shooting is why SROs need to be in schools. MCPS cares jack sh$t about safety of students and staff. They are complete idiots that didn’t recognize the severity of the situation of a critically injured student in their bathroom. What would the reaction and call to dispatch have been if an SRO been on the scene to begin with? I bet all of the squad cars would have had lights on and swat there in a heartbeat because a uniformed police officer would fully report the magnitude of the situation one she/he has eyes on it.

I pray to God that the Board of Ed comes to its senses and bring SROs back into schools and look into why administrators time in and time out are dishonest when issues occur on their watch.

Honest question, what would a SRO have done in this situation?

Call for police backup, not community response.

+1 immediately, not wait several minute. SROs are trained to identify, manage and respond to such incidents as part of being a cop. This is not the primary training for school admins.

My take from the timeline provided by ABC - there seemed to be a lack of identifying the situation as life threatening for the student and an individual still in the school with a gun. The calls that got notice were the EMTs and the police who recognized the wound as a gun shot wound.

If an SRO was in the school back up would have been swifter. I agree having a police officer in schools prevents situations from going down a path of violence.

MCPS didn’t seem to consider that the suspect was still armed and in the school. The only reason this wasn’t a mass casualty event was that the shooter didn’t target anyone else.

right.. cops are trained to notice certain signs. School admin are not.

There have already been a few gun incidents in the first quarter. Are we seriously going to wait for a mass shooting to take action, and not just the "hug it out" type of action?

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My take from the timeline provided by ABC - there seemed to be a lack of identifying the situation as life threatening for the student and an individual still in the school with a gun. The calls that got notice were the EMTs and the police who recognized the wound as a gun shot wound.

If an SRO was in the school back up would have been swifter. I agree having a police officer in schools prevents situations from going down a path of violence.

MCPS didn’t seem to consider that the suspect was still armed and in the school. The only reason this wasn’t a mass casualty event was that the shooter didn’t target anyone else.

YES. MCPS AVERTED NOTHING AND WAS INCOMPETENT AS USUAL.

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Anonymous wrote:https://wjla.com/news/local/magruder-high-school-derwood-shooting-student-bathroom-montgomery-county-public-schools-lockdown-police-officers-mcknight

This timeline is extremely disturbing.

Wow. I am totally shook at the timeline and misinformation from MCPS after a shooting at Magruder.

The knee jerk reaction was to attempt passing off a shooting as a medical emergency???? What type of BS MCPS Administrator training teaches principals to not be upfront and honest with the community that a student had been shot in the school bathroom???? This is why parents no longer have any trust in MCPS. Flat out deceptive lies.

A situation of the magnitude of a shooting is why SROs need to be in schools. MCPS cares jack sh$t about safety of students and staff. They are complete idiots that didn’t recognize the severity of the situation of a critically injured student in their bathroom. What would the reaction and call to dispatch have been if an SRO been on the scene to begin with? I bet all of the squad cars would have had lights on and swat there in a heartbeat because a uniformed police officer would fully report the magnitude of the situation one she/he has eyes on it.

I pray to God that the Board of Ed comes to its senses and bring SROs back into schools and look into why administrators time in and time out are dishonest when issues occur on their watch.

Honest question, what would a SRO have done in this situation?

Call for police backup, not community response.

+1 immediately, not wait several minute. SROs are trained to identify, manage and respond to such incidents as part of being a cop. This is not the primary training for school admins.

My take from the timeline provided by ABC - there seemed to be a lack of identifying the situation as life threatening for the student and an individual still in the school with a gun. The calls that got notice were the EMTs and the police who recognized the wound as a gun shot wound.

If an SRO was in the school back up would have been swifter. I agree having a police officer in schools prevents situations from going down a path of violence.

MCPS didn’t seem to consider that the suspect was still armed and in the school. The only reason this wasn’t a mass casualty event was that the shooter didn’t target anyone else.

right.. cops are trained to notice certain signs. School admin are not.

There have already been a few gun incidents in the first quarter. Are we seriously going to wait for a mass shooting to take action, and not just the "hug it out" type of action?

If Americans can't or won't do anything about gun control, school personnel has to be trained. It's tragic we've come to this. Educators don't go in the field of education to recognize gun shot wounds and assume any incident may involve a mass shooter.

Why can't people realize that the Constitution DOES NOT guarantee them firearm ownership?!!

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t high schools have security guards?

They do, and there was one at Magruder when this happened. An SRO couldn’t have stopped this, just like the SROs in Parkland couldn’t stop the mass shooting there.

I'm sure cops would love to know that they are just security guards. LOL

Also, you keep bringing up the stupid FL SRO. That was one guy. Should we assume that all <insert minority male here> are all criminals and murderers because there are many in jail?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t high schools have security guards?

They do, and there was one at Magruder when this happened. An SRO couldn’t have stopped this, just like the SROs in Parkland couldn’t stop the mass shooting there.

I'm sure cops would love to know that they are just security guards. LOL

Also, you keep bringing up the stupid FL SRO. That was one guy. Should we assume that all <insert minority male here> are all criminals and murderers because there are many in jail?

MCPS has both security guards and SRO's, which are police officers.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t high schools have security guards?

They do, and there was one at Magruder when this happened. An SRO couldn’t have stopped this, just like the SROs in Parkland couldn’t stop the mass shooting there.

Pretty much. At least in this case only one person was shot and the culprit was caught. Sometimes it's better to have the regular police deal with these sorts of things: the culprits get charged as adults that way.

The SROs in Parkland hid outside the building while shots were fired.

Don’t exaggerate. There was only one SRO on scene. Completely different scenario anyway

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t high schools have security guards?

They do, and there was one at Magruder when this happened. An SRO couldn’t have stopped this, just like the SROs in Parkland couldn’t stop the mass shooting there.

Pretty much. At least in this case only one person was shot and the culprit was caught. Sometimes it's better to have the regular police deal with these sorts of things: the culprits get charged as adults that way.

The SROs in Parkland hid outside the building while shots were fired.

Don’t exaggerate. There was only one SRO on scene. Completely different scenario anyway

That's not any better. He hid like a coward.

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Anonymous wrote:Shout out to the School Nurse. Read Ehrlich’s tweet sounds like she was great at her job as school first responder.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of Elrich, but his response was what I'd expect from a leader. McKnight's was not -- she didn't even acknowledge the nurse.

Yes. Elrich is a clear thinker. She's not. The Principal of Magruder most decidedly is not.

I don't fault the principal on this. They're not all the way at the top. I expect leadership qualities like that from county exec or superintendent, but we have 150+ principals at MCPS, generally former teachers. They are not trained nor raised to be leaders at that level.

Agreed - Dr. Evans is very good, and most parents we speak with at the school agree. Whatever panic was perceived is simply second hand and up for interpretation. It is confirmed that there was no yelling, or mistakes in protocol / leadership.

Eight minutes between calling 911 and locking down the school is a mistake in protocol.

Dr. Evans has a history of failing to follow protocols.

I’ve been really happy with him.

This. +1

+1 The majority of Magruder parents are VERY happy with Dr. Evans. Including this event.

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Wonder where the gun was found?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t high schools have security guards?

They do, and there was one at Magruder when this happened. An SRO couldn’t have stopped this, just like the SROs in Parkland couldn’t stop the mass shooting there.

Pretty much. At least in this case only one person was shot and the culprit was caught. Sometimes it's better to have the regular police deal with these sorts of things: the culprits get charged as adults that way.

The SROs in Parkland hid outside the building while shots were fired.

And my great uncles cousins daughter deserted the union army during the Civil War.
You sound like a broken record. Only an intellectual incompetent points to one instance of an event and tries to assure reasonable people that all events will be the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t high schools have security guards?

They do, and there was one at Magruder when this happened. An SRO couldn’t have stopped this, just like the SROs in Parkland couldn’t stop the mass shooting there.

I'm sure cops would love to know that they are just security guards. LOL

Also, you keep bringing up the stupid FL SRO. That was one guy. Should we assume that all <insert minority male here> are all criminals and murderers because there are many in jail?

MCPS has both security guards and SRO's, which are police officers.

keep up.. mcps no longer has SRO. that' the point.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

This puzzles me. Even with a silencer, a gunshot is pretty loud and has a distinct sound. How is it that nobody heard it?

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My take from the timeline provided by ABC - there seemed to be a lack of identifying the situation as life threatening for the student and an individual still in the school with a gun. The calls that got notice were the EMTs and the police who recognized the wound as a gun shot wound.

If an SRO was in the school back up would have been swifter. I agree having a police officer in schools prevents situations from going down a path of violence.

MCPS didn’t seem to consider that the suspect was still armed and in the school. The only reason this wasn’t a mass casualty event was that the shooter didn’t target anyone else.

YES. MCPS AVERTED NOTHING AND WAS INCOMPETENT AS USUAL.

2 hours with the shooter in a classroom with other students and not found with the gun nearby him.
First call was for community officer, not police emergency response.