U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

DD’s top choices are St Andrews, Brown, Williams and Science Po. Her sister is at Brown. She has a 1520 SAT so far (1 seating) and is predicted 42 IB. She really wants to go out of the country, so we will be touring other schools in England and Netherlands in Oct. any other auggestions where she could souble major in Politics and History or Economica and history?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

DD’s top choices are St Andrews, Brown, Williams and Science Po. Her sister is at Brown. She has a 1520 SAT so far (1 seating) and is predicted 42 IB. She really wants to go out of the country, so we will be touring other schools in England and Netherlands in Oct. any other auggestions where she could souble major in Politics and History or Economica and history?

Some in one of the more general UK college threads like Durham and Exeter, I agree for the degrees listed, so those are definitely worth a look see.

London has a bit of a special challenge in student housing. There is just not enough student housing anywhere in London; living on the local economy is expensive and that means any London uni will have a bit of a commuter flavor. That said, Kings College London (KCL) or University College London (UCL) would be solid choices for Politics and History. The really obvious choice in London - worldwide really - for Economics is the London School for Economics (LSE).

[Anonymous]

No one has ever suggested that no American student in the history of mankind has ever turned downed a top college in the USA for St Andrews. That would be ridiculous. At the same time, it's fair to say that most USA students do not. The typical student at St Andrews from the USA did not spurn a top 15 or 20 private schools in the USA to attend, and very few turned down Ivy League offers.

The poster here remind me of, say, UVA posters. Obviously UVA is a very good school, and there are students there who turned down Harvard, Yale, Penn, Duke, Brown, etc. But not many, and the fact that they're there doesn't make UVA as good of a school as them.

Parents can and should be proud of wherever their students enroll, but let's not get carried away -- their decision to attend a certain school does not automatically turn that school into a school that it is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one has ever suggested that no American student in the history of mankind has ever turned downed a top college in the USA for St Andrews. That would be ridiculous. At the same time, it's fair to say that most USA students do not. The typical student at St Andrews from the USA did not spurn a top 15 or 20 private schools in the USA to attend, and very few turned down Ivy League offers.

The poster here remind me of, say, UVA posters. Obviously UVA is a very good school, and there are students there who turned down Harvard, Yale, Penn, Duke, Brown, etc. But not many, and the fact that they're there doesn't make UVA as good of a school as them.

Parents can and should be proud of wherever their students enroll, but let's not get carried away -- their decision to attend a certain school does not automatically turn that school into a school that it is not.

This is a good point, because StA is about 50% (maybe a little more?) of the total cost of top US privates. So in many ways the calculation resembles the calculation of going to your in-state flagship versus an expensive private, and inevitably some people choose the former. Which is not a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

[Anonymous]

On another note, is anybody here in the Family Programme? If so, did you attend the 2-day Patron’s Programme when you dropped off your son/daughter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Actually you have things a little mixed up. It was 53 in 2022, 39 in 2023, and 60 in 2024. Looks like 39 was the aberration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Actually you have things a little mixed up. It was 53 in 2022, 39 in 2023, and 60 in 2024. Looks like 39 was the aberration.

Yeah, and the two years before that (21/22 and 20/21) it was 61% and 70%, respectively.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/unconditional_vs_conditional_off#incoming-2168894

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Actually you have things a little mixed up. It was 53 in 2022, 39 in 2023, and 60 in 2024. Looks like 39 was the aberration.

Yeah, and the two years before that (21/22 and 20/21) it was 61% and 70%, respectively.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/unconditional_vs_conditional_off#incoming-2168894

Note that the second tab on the attachment also has admission info and acceptances by state through 2022/23, which was the original intent of the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here an none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

DD’s top choices are St Andrews, Brown, Williams and Science Po. Her sister is at Brown. She has a 1520 SAT so far (1 seating) and is predicted 42 IB. She really wants to go out of the country, so we will be touring other schools in England and Netherlands in Oct. any other auggestions where she could souble major in Politics and History or Economica and history?

Some in one of the more general UK college threads like Durham and Exeter, I agree for the degrees listed, so those are definitely worth a look see.

London has a bit of a special challenge in student housing. There is just not enough student housing anywhere in London; living on the local economy is expensive and that means any London uni will have a bit of a commuter flavor. That said, Kings College London (KCL) or University College London (UCL) would be solid choices for Politics and History. The really obvious choice in London - worldwide really - for Economics is the London School for Economics (LSE).

We are trying to keep her away from London, although yes, UCL has a great program. I was surprised that LSE’s min for IB is 37-38. It looks much harder for Americans with APs than for those with IBs.