U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here an none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

How in the world do you know all of the kids' SAT scores??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here a none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

There isn’t a cap on international students. The SNP’s tuition funding policy means they fund a certain number of spots for Scottish students, effectively capping them instead.

And, anecdotally, there are kids on Reddit getting in with SATs in the 1300s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here an none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

How in the world do you know all of the kids' SAT scores??

I’m friends with all of the parents of the kids that accepted offers. Is that so hard to understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here a none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

There isn’t a cap on international students. The SNP’s tuition funding policy means they fund a certain number of spots for Scottish students, effectively capping them instead.

And, anecdotally, there are kids on Reddit getting in with SATs in the 1300s.

Anedotally, there are kids on Reddit getting in t20s with SATs in the 1300s….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here an none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

How in the world do you know all of the kids' SAT scores??

I’m friends with all of the parents of the kids that accepted offers. Is that so hard to understand?

I raised four very popular children and have had many friends over the years and the only SAT scores I've ever known are my own kids. If you "know" that "all" of the 20 kids who applied to St Andrews over the last few years had over a 1400 on the SATs because their parents all told you then you are living in a really, really odd and unhealthy universe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the official numbers. They show that 60.1 percent of USA applicants who applied to St Andrews last year were admitted. Good school? Absolutely. Selective for Americans? Not really.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

Those numbers are all over the place.
39% in 22
53% in 23
60% in 24

They must be playing with Yield in order to get to an acceptable level. If you avg those 3 years out to get a better idea of the typical rate you are at 50%. Not bad considering this is a self selected group to begin with. Not like the typical number of applications to most US schools where everybody and their mother whether capable or not are applying….

This just shows how much harder it is to get in if your Scottish or English when the admissions rate is more like in the 20’s % overall…

Or they’ve started aiming for more Americans and the large fees that come with them.

I dont have a kid there. My husband is Scottish and his daughter went to St Andrews years ago. My son will be applying soon. We live in California and several kids from our school have been accepted to St Andrews over the last 3 years.
The number of spaces for International Students is set by the Scottish Gov. They cant increase it and take spots away from Scottish students and RUK students. So whether an international comes from USA, Nigeria or China is irrelevant for them as far as $ are concerned.
Now, do they prefer Americans vs Chinese students? I dont know the answer to that.

Clearly like someone else already mentioned here there is a self selection bias already with the kids applying there from America. Mainly well to do families from privates and boarding schools.

Nobody has been able to get average SAT scores here an none of the whattheyknow requests on this was ever responded. But anedocatbly, the kids from our school applying there (about 20 in the last 3 years with about 60% acceptance) all had SATs above 1400. Even the ones who did not get in.

How in the world do you know all of the kids' SAT scores??

I’m friends with all of the parents of the kids that accepted offers. Is that so hard to understand?

I raised four very popular children and have had many friends over the years and the only SAT scores I've ever known are my own kids. If you "know" that "all" of the 20 kids who applied to St Andrews over the last few years had over a 1400 on the SATs because their parents all told you then you are living in a really, really odd and unhealthy universe.

Lol especially because it’s across three different years.

[Anonymous]

Let’s put it that way. The school publishes to the parents the 25, 50, 75 percentile of ACT and SAT test takes in our school broken out by Juniors and Seniors. We are a small school. What parents are telling us is so easily verifiable….specially when the 25 percentile is typically around 1360 at our school.
Anyhow. Why are we deviating from the main topic here. DCUMers are unbelievable…..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

DD’s top choices are St Andrews, Brown, Williams and Science Po. Her sister is at Brown. She has a 1520 SAT so far (1 seating) and is predicted 42 IB. She really wants to go out of the country, so we will be touring other schools in England and Netherlands in Oct. any other auggestions where she could souble major in Politics and History or Economica and history?

I would look at Bocconi, U of Amsterdam, Erasmus and St Galen in Switzerland. St Galen is one of the toughest admissions for Americans anywhere in the EU/UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s put it that way. The school publishes to the parents the 25, 50, 75 percentile of ACT and SAT test takes in our school broken out by Juniors and Seniors. We are a small school. What parents are telling us is so easily verifiable….specially when the 25 percentile is typically around 1360 at our school.
Anyhow. Why are we deviating from the main topic here. DCUMers are unbelievable…..

The main topic here is admissions data. The middle pages of this thread are the deviation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

DD’s top choices are St Andrews, Brown, Williams and Science Po. Her sister is at Brown. She has a 1520 SAT so far (1 seating) and is predicted 42 IB. She really wants to go out of the country, so we will be touring other schools in England and Netherlands in Oct. any other auggestions where she could souble major in Politics and History or Economica and history?

If she wants out of the US, with those stats she will likely get in St Andrews, Science Po, Bocconi and likely LSE too. I know you said you dont want London. Someone also mentioned St Galen. Amazing school in Switzerland but I’m not sure if they history or allow a double major like the others mentioned. Have you toured any of the schools yet or are you planning on doing all of this in Oct?

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Check Clearing courses on UCAS
Desperate for dollars

[Anonymous]

I have a kid in the middle of the pack at a top feeder HS. so 3.8ish and a 1550 sat.

self studied for APs and got 3 4s. these were fully self studied - things like Econ when he had no class at all.

what UK/Internatioal schools would be likely for her. wants to study philosophy. I'm eager not to spend 90k a year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid in the middle of the pack at a top feeder HS. so 3.8ish and a 1550 sat.

self studied for APs and got 3 4s. these were fully self studied - things like Econ when he had no class at all.

what UK/Internatioal schools would be likely for her. wants to study philosophy. I'm eager not to spend 90k a year

I’m assuming she doesnt go to an AP curriculum school?

Oxbridge is out of the question without 3-5 APs at 5. If she is an IB program, LSE, UCL could work. If not, in the UK you have St Andrews, UCL could work, Durham too. Exeter and Kings also have great programs. Look at the UK Complete Uni Guide. It is the least biased of all the 3 major UK rankings: https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings/philosophy

In the EU there are several amazing programs in Phil.

Leuven, Liege, Amsterdam, Heilderbeg, LMU (Germany), PSL (France), Sorbonne, Paris I. I have no idea what the entry requirements are for Americans, but some of these are taught in English, others not. You need to go in to each uni website and check it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

My daughter is going to St Andrews after getting in Georgetown and NYU.

If the St Andrews basher mom around this site hears this she will go ballistic and accuse you of being a liar….

DD’s top choices are St Andrews, Brown, Williams and Science Po. Her sister is at Brown. She has a 1520 SAT so far (1 seating) and is predicted 42 IB. She really wants to go out of the country, so we will be touring other schools in England and Netherlands in Oct. any other auggestions where she could souble major in Politics and History or Economica and history?

Some in one of the more general UK college threads like Durham and Exeter, I agree for the degrees listed, so those are definitely worth a look see.

London has a bit of a special challenge in student housing. There is just not enough student housing anywhere in London; living on the local economy is expensive and that means any London uni will have a bit of a commuter flavor. That said, Kings College London (KCL) or University College London (UCL) would be solid choices for Politics and History. The really obvious choice in London - worldwide really - for Economics is the London School for Economics (LSE).

We are trying to keep her away from London, although yes, UCL has a great program. I was surprised that LSE’s min for IB is 37-38. It looks much harder for Americans with APs than for those with IBs.

The minimum IB score of 37-38 is most probably the minimum to apply, not the grade to actually be accepted. My DS got conditional offers at Bristol, Manchester, Durham and Edinburgh for 38 and LSE is definitely much harder to get into.

We also kept DS from applying to universities in London. He was interested in economics so no need to look at London universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a kid in the middle of the pack at a top feeder HS. so 3.8ish and a 1550 sat.

self studied for APs and got 3 4s. these were fully self studied - things like Econ when he had no class at all.

what UK/Internatioal schools would be likely for her. wants to study philosophy. I'm eager not to spend 90k a year

I’m assuming she doesnt go to an AP curriculum school?

Oxbridge is out of the question without 3-5 APs at 5. If she is an IB program, LSE, UCL could work. If not, in the UK you have St Andrews, UCL could work, Durham too. Exeter and Kings also have great programs. Look at the UK Complete Uni Guide. It is the least biased of all the 3 major UK rankings: https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings/philosophy

In the EU there are several amazing programs in Phil.

Leuven, Liege, Amsterdam, Heilderbeg, LMU (Germany), PSL (France), Sorbonne, Paris I. I have no idea what the entry requirements are for Americans, but some of these are taught in English, others not. You need to go in to each uni website and check it out.

right. no AP or IB curriculum.

thanks for the ideas.