U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

[Anonymous]

My kid was accepted to Exeter. He was not an Oxbridge reject as he didnt even apply. He applied to 5 of the schools you mentioned. Anyhow, the Tuition for internationals for Arts, Humanities, Social Sciences (including Law) and every Business course is £24,700. For double honors it is like 25.5.

We would pay $33k in today’s dollars. That is $99k in Tuition to graduate vs any of the t100 OOS publics and privates with barely any merit he got in at double that amount just for tuition for 4 years.

it is still much cheaper than the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was accepted to Exeter. He was not an Oxbridge reject as he didnt even apply. He applied to 5 of the schools you mentioned. Anyhow, the Tuition for internationals for Arts, Humanities, Social Sciences (including Law) and every Business course is £24,700. For double honors it is like 25.5.

We would pay $33k in today’s dollars. That is $99k in Tuition to graduate vs any of the t100 OOS publics and privates with barely any merit he got in at double that amount just for tuition for 4 years.

it is still much cheaper than the US.

Same here. Exeter is a steal. My son applied and got into Exeter, Bristol, Edinburgh and St Andrews. Exeter is an amazing setting and an incredible deal for 3 years!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ate there admission rate numbers for STEM, such as physics, math, and so on?

The numbers are split between MA and BSc. It is the same degree, but if you are in the Arts side you can take modules in the Humanties alongside your major and double honors in those subject, for instance MA Math and Modern History…


MA Math 48%
BSc Math 43%
BSc Math AND Physics Double Honors 35%
BSc Physics 42%
BSc Statistics 21%
BSc Computer Science 25%
BSc Biology 32%
BSc Medicine (Most Popular) 32% (1436 Applicants).

For comparison,

MA Psychology 25%
MA in International Relations and Economics (Double Honors) 17%
MA in International Relations and Management (Double Honors) 17%

[Anonymous]

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ate there admission rate numbers for STEM, such as physics, math, and so on?

The numbers are split between MA and BSc. It is the same degree, but if you are in the Arts side you can take modules in the Humanties alongside your major and double honors in those subject, for instance MA Math and Modern History…


MA Math 48%
BSc Math 43%
BSc Math AND Physics Double Honors 35%
BSc Physics 42%
BSc Statistics 21%
BSc Computer Science 25%
BSc Biology 32%
BSc Medicine (Most Popular) 32% (1436 Applicants).

For comparison,

MA Psychology 25%
MA in International Relations and Economics (Double Honors) 17%
MA in International Relations and Management (Double Honors) 17%

Be careful with those offer rates for Math. It is a self selecting group applying to begin with. The more pure math oriented kids will apply to the MMath (Applied Math) 5 year program with a 37% rate.

If you are not at least a A*A*A with A* in Math, dont even apply. You wont get in. So the competition is brutal since they deny a lot of kids with A*A*A.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

So these are the numbers (admissions rate) for 2023 based on a freedom of info request in the UK for these subjects. These are not just for Scottish and RUK. This is for everything, including internationals.

MA Modern History - 33%
MA International Relations - 30% (872 applicants, the 4 most popular after Medicine, CS, Pscychology )
MA History - 25% (687 Applicants)
MA Management - 23%
MA Ancient History & Archeology - 22%
MA Ancient History - 18%
MA Management & Economics (Double Honors) - 17%
MA Economics - 15%
MA Medieval History & Archeology - 13%
MA Management & Modern History (Double Honors) - 10%

I’m surprised it is this low. I wonder if the double degree ones with W&M have a higher rate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

So these are the numbers (admissions rate) for 2023 based on a freedom of info request in the UK for these subjects. These are not just for Scottish and RUK. This is for everything, including internationals.

MA Modern History - 33%
MA International Relations - 30% (872 applicants, the 4 most popular after Medicine, CS, Pscychology )
MA History - 25% (687 Applicants)
MA Management - 23%
MA Ancient History & Archeology - 22%
MA Ancient History - 18%
MA Management & Economics (Double Honors) - 17%
MA Economics - 15%
MA Medieval History & Archeology - 13%
MA Management & Modern History (Double Honors) - 10%

I’m surprised it is this low. I wonder if the double degree ones with W&M have a higher rate?

The William & Mary joint with St Andrews has a much much higher offer rate. That same year 2023:

International Relations - 40% vs 30% for the StA single honors
History - 50% vs 25% for the StA single honors
English - 82% vs 36% for the StA single honors
Economics - 52% vs 15% for StA single honors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ate there admission rate numbers for STEM, such as physics, math, and so on?

The numbers are split between MA and BSc. It is the same degree, but if you are in the Arts side you can take modules in the Humanties alongside your major and double honors in those subject, for instance MA Math and Modern History…


MA Math 48%
BSc Math 43%
BSc Math AND Physics Double Honors 35%
BSc Physics 42%
BSc Statistics 21%
BSc Computer Science 25%
BSc Biology 32%
BSc Medicine (Most Popular) 32% (1436 Applicants).

For comparison,

MA Psychology 25%
MA in International Relations and Economics (Double Honors) 17%
MA in International Relations and Management (Double Honors) 17%

Note most Double Honours programmes have a much smaller number of applicants. Depending on the 2nd major your kids wants, you might be better off applying single honours and then adding the 2nd major as you complete their 1st and 2st year modules alongside your single honours modules. That is the beauty of their System in Scotland vs England.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ate there admission rate numbers for STEM, such as physics, math, and so on?

The numbers are split between MA and BSc. It is the same degree, but if you are in the Arts side you can take modules in the Humanties alongside your major and double honors in those subject, for instance MA Math and Modern History…


MA Math 48%
BSc Math 43%
BSc Math AND Physics Double Honors 35%
BSc Physics 42%
BSc Statistics 21%
BSc Computer Science 25%
BSc Biology 32%
BSc Medicine (Most Popular) 32% (1436 Applicants).

For comparison,

MA Psychology 25%
MA in International Relations and Economics (Double Honors) 17%
MA in International Relations and Management (Double Honors) 17%

Note most Double Honours programmes have a much smaller number of applicants. Depending on the 2nd major your kids wants, you might be better off applying single honours and then adding the 2nd major as you complete their 1st and 2st year modules alongside your single honours modules. That is the beauty of their System in Scotland vs England.

This is true. Just watch it if you are thinking about adding IR as as second honors programme since it is not guaranteed that you will get in those year 1 modules. The vast majority do get in, but some get left out.

[Anonymous]

I read it somewhere that ~50% of kids at. St Andrews end up switching or adding majors before the honours years. This is a huge differentiator over the unis south of the boarder.

[Anonymous]

Border…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read it somewhere that ~50% of kids at. St Andrews end up switching or adding majors before the honours years. This is a huge differentiator over the unis south of the boarder.

It is important to distinguish adding from switching. Adding a 2nd major is much more common than switching.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read it somewhere that ~50% of kids at. St Andrews end up switching or adding majors before the honours years. This is a huge differentiator over the unis south of the boarder.

It is important to distinguish adding from switching. Adding a 2nd major is much more common than switching.

DS switched from Econ to IR after taking the IR modules in years 1 and 2. One of his best friends switched from Classics to History after doing the same. I dont know how common it is. But in his near circle….it was common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read it somewhere that ~50% of kids at. St Andrews end up switching or adding majors before the honours years. This is a huge differentiator over the unis south of the boarder.

It is important to distinguish adding from switching. Adding a 2nd major is much more common than switching.

DS switched from Econ to IR after taking the IR modules in years 1 and 2. One of his best friends switched from Classics to History after doing the same. I dont know how common it is. But in his near circle….it was common.

Sample space of 2. Thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read it somewhere that ~50% of kids at. St Andrews end up switching or adding majors before the honours years. This is a huge differentiator over the unis south of the boarder.

It is important to distinguish adding from switching. Adding a 2nd major is much more common than switching.

DS switched from Econ to IR after taking the IR modules in years 1 and 2. One of his best friends switched from Classics to History after doing the same. I dont know how common it is. But in his near circle….it was common.

Sample space of 2. Thanks for sharing.

You seem like a delightful person to be around. If your kid is like you, I hope he doesn’t end up there. The whole point was that it is very possible and easy to change majors if you take those modules in year 1 and 2. It is not like any other school in England where this is basically impossible.