New Year Eve's Coordinated Sexual Assault Attacks in Cologne

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After post 22:33 on page 29, there's not much more to be said.

The treatment of German women by the asylum-seekers is deplorable, and possibly/probably grounds for denial of asylum except in exceptional circumstances. The treatment of refugee women by refugee men is even worse.

There should be NO except.
You grope women - no asylum for you!

Some of these refugees are fleeing terrible places where they legitimately fear death, injury, and persecution. Behaving badly in their country of sanctuary is not ideal, but "groping women" should not be a death sentence.

However, if it turns out that some of these men who groped German women are involved in the truly horrific conditions at some of the refugee camps, I would have no qualms about sending them back. Legally, I don't know much about European asylum law, so I don't know if those crimes would affect their status.

So what you are saying is that you are okay with them sexually assaulting German women, but not the women in the refuge camps?

What I am saying, explicitly, is that I do not believe groping German women should be a death sentence. What is happening to the women in the refugee camps is going much farther than sexual assault, including frequent rapes, forced prostitution, and worse. I don't know how to respond to that, and I'm not in charge, so I don't have to know.

Those animals would have gone further if they could. One woman was raped during the cologne event and several other in the other cities. Somehow those rapes don't count?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it really a death sentence?

Thousands upon thousands of young men who left their wives, sisters and mothers behind. It can't be that bad if most of their women stayed behind.

I have found reports ranging from 10000 to over significantly 100000 executed by ISIS. It seems we don't know, but they've killed a lot of people.

Maybe if you are escaping certain death you should not violate the women of the benefactor country that generously allowed you in and saved you. Think about that, what a novel idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After post 22:33 on page 29, there's not much more to be said.

The treatment of German women by the asylum-seekers is deplorable, and possibly/probably grounds for denial of asylum except in exceptional circumstances. The treatment of refugee women by refugee men is even worse.

There should be NO except.
You grope women - no asylum for you!

Some of these refugees are fleeing terrible places where they legitimately fear death, injury, and persecution. Behaving badly in their country of sanctuary is not ideal, but "groping women" should not be a death sentence.

However, if it turns out that some of these men who groped German women are involved in the truly horrific conditions at some of the refugee camps, I would have no qualms about sending them back. Legally, I don't know much about European asylum law, so I don't know if those crimes would affect their status.

So what you are saying is that you are okay with them sexually assaulting German women, but not the women in the refuge camps?

+1 what kind of racist discriminatory bs is that. Those women had their breasts gropes, were bruised, had their underwear torn away, their genitals do fled, but somehow their victimization is less? Any refugee who does not appreciate leaving the cesspool he fled behind to be on his best behavior to the women in his host county can go back and burn. And don't make light of groping, it can be an incredibly traumatizing experience. I know because it happened to me.

Exactly. What a fool we have here defending the barbaric criminals who have been recklessly allowed into Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After post 22:33 on page 29, there's not much more to be said.

The treatment of German women by the asylum-seekers is deplorable, and possibly/probably grounds for denial of asylum except in exceptional circumstances. The treatment of refugee women by refugee men is even worse.

There should be NO except.
You grope women - no asylum for you!

Some of these refugees are fleeing terrible places where they legitimately fear death, injury, and persecution. Behaving badly in their country of sanctuary is not ideal, but "groping women" should not be a death sentence.

However, if it turns out that some of these men who groped German women are involved in the truly horrific conditions at some of the refugee camps, I would have no qualms about sending them back. Legally, I don't know much about European asylum law, so I don't know if those crimes would affect their status.

So what you are saying is that you are okay with them sexually assaulting German women, but not the women in the refuge camps?

What I am saying, explicitly, is that I do not believe groping German women should be a death sentence. What is happening to the women in the refugee camps is going much farther than sexual assault, including frequent rapes, forced prostitution, and worse. I don't know how to respond to that, and I'm not in charge, so I don't have to know.[/quote

I happen to think group sexual assault on the scale is pretty bad. By even using the word groping, you are actually making light of what was a truly horrific situation of attacks that NYE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it really a death sentence?

Thousands upon thousands of young men who left their wives, sisters and mothers behind. It can't be that bad if most of their women stayed behind.

I have found reports ranging from 10000 to over significantly 100000 executed by ISIS. It seems we don't know, but they've killed a lot of people.

So they leave their womenbehind to get raped or worse, so they can live safely in German, drink, and sexually assault German women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it really a death sentence?

Thousands upon thousands of young men who left their wives, sisters and mothers behind. It can't be that bad if most of their women stayed behind.

I have found reports ranging from 10000 to over significantly 100000 executed by ISIS. It seems we don't know, but they've killed a lot of people.

So they leave their womenbehind to get raped or worse, so they can live safely in German, drink, and sexually assault German women?

I also, would like an explanation to your excellent question.

[Anonymous]

German law regarding crime and asylum seekers:

http://aranews.net/2016/01/germany-divided-over-expulsion-of-convicted-asylum-seekers/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:German law regarding crime and asylum seekers:

http://aranews.net/2016/01/germany-divided-over-expulsion-of-convicted-asylum-seekers/

Is it "better" than our laws?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:German law regarding crime and asylum seekers:

http://aranews.net/2016/01/germany-divided-over-expulsion-of-convicted-asylum-seekers/

Is it "better" than our laws?

What it means is that Syrian refugees cannot be deported, not by Germany or by any other country, including the US.

[Anonymous]

Here's a decent article that shows culture may not be to blame:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexism-in-the-middle-east-its-not-islam-race-or-hate/256362/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a decent article that shows culture may not be to blame:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-real-roots-of-sexism-in-the-middle-east-its-not-islam-race-or-hate/256362/

You are kidding me. What utter dreck that article is. The Arab man was so oppressed by colonial
powers somehow he had to take out his frustration on his wife? Whatever it is if it is so ingrained in the culture right now however the reason why it does not give them an excuse to sexually assault woman. Full stop. You either are for women's rights or not. If you don't condemn what just happened whole heartedly stop pretending to be a prrogressive liberal that stands up for women's rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just why I was reluctant to wade in. Obviously if the man is obviously groping her, women of all cultures fight back. But Western women tend to let go the casual brushing that could be accidental, giving the benefit of the doubt.

An Arab woman wouldn't give any benefit of the doubt--she'd cause a scene even for the mildest of contact that could be inappropriate. And her response could be wildly disproportionate by our standards, but no one would call her on that as it is her right to defend her honor however she sees fit.

My colleague's wife would have been arrested for what she did if it had happened here and undoubtedly charged with assault. She also likely would have been subject to a civil suit for the harm she inflicted.

In Cologne about 120.women called the police to report assaults that evening. That was smarter than :fighting back" given the circumstances don't you think?

Yes--in fact I said as much. You can't do the responses that are effective in a place packed with men and no room to swing a handbag. But these men have been in the streets every day for months "accidentally" bumping into women or brushing against them with no push back at all from European women. And they have totally gotten the wrong idea.

Yes, maybe the onus is on the woman when it should be on the man. But I would bet the rate of harassment would abate if women yelled and cursed at every Arab man who casually brushed up against her. Unfortunately, I don't think western police would back up a woman who inflicted any harm with her handbag.

Gee, as an American woman, the only response I've gotten from an American man when accidentally brushed against was 'I'm sorry '. I have been in crowded American bars and never groped. If these imports act this way in TX, these 'accidental' bumps as you call them, they are likely to be put on the ground by an American man until the cops come.

You don't think western police would support the woman? Western policemen don't take these situations lightly. My kid one dialed 911 as a toddler, and would not take my word for 'things are ok'. My husband had to show himself.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else see the ludicrous in both importing men with this 'cultural lack of behavior' and simultaneously disarming the American public?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else see the ludicrous in both importing men with this 'cultural lack of behavior' and simultaneously disarming the American public?

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else see the ludicrous in both importing men with this 'cultural lack of behavior' and simultaneously disarming the American public?

+1,000

+1,000,000