U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would go a step further given the abundance of evidence of kids (even if just 5-10% of American kids at St Andrews) that gave up Top 25 offers to go there. It is an individual choice. DCUMers like you love to make broad statements about “students that are not quite top 25 material”and yet, there is plenty of evidence that is not the rule.

Or are you going to crucify the kids of parents here on this board who decided to go to St Andrews or elsewhere outside Oxbridge despite having T25 offers on hand?

Let’s chill. Let people make decisions that work for them.

Comparing UK or EU schools to American schools is an exercise in futility. There is not standard agreement. You say A and I say B and we get nowhere.

This thread was about information about St Andrews, pros/cons of going there, living there, missing on US typical environment, employment afterwards, several success stories, others not so much. This was an informative thread. Let’s keep this way and drop the

Agree. Let’s move on please.

I just read the whole thread after my Junior just told us this Summer that he wants to explore UK and EU schools and St Andrews in particular. He is interested in Management/Economics, but also Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology.

He is a very good golfer. As of June 15 he has had 14 coaches reach out. While we are trying to convince him to look at US schools and use Golf to get in the best school he can, he has zero interest in staying in the US. He wants to go to St Andrews and play golf in their performance team as they have the best Golf team in the UK. He has a EU passport and speaks 3 languages fluently. He has scored 1490 on his first SAT try and has 2x 5’s on AP US History and AP Engl. going to his Junior year.

He has been to St Andrews during the summer, but we are planning a trip around April to experience it during the academic year. Can anyone with experience here talk about the Mgmt/Econ (new business school) and Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology programs as it relates to difficulty of being admitted and any experience with them?

Thank you in advance,

Does St Andrews offer golf scholarships?

No pp. But yes. They offer selective scholarships for some sports. But you have to be at a very high level and I dont think they are full tuition, only an assistance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

Check out MumsNet, which is a UK analogue to DCUM. There is a separate UK student site, but my mind has just blanked on its name...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would go a step further given the abundance of evidence of kids (even if just 5-10% of American kids at St Andrews) that gave up Top 25 offers to go there. It is an individual choice. DCUMers like you love to make broad statements about “students that are not quite top 25 material”and yet, there is plenty of evidence that is not the rule.

Or are you going to crucify the kids of parents here on this board who decided to go to St Andrews or elsewhere outside Oxbridge despite having T25 offers on hand?

Let’s chill. Let people make decisions that work for them.

Comparing UK or EU schools to American schools is an exercise in futility. There is not standard agreement. You say A and I say B and we get nowhere.

This thread was about information about St Andrews, pros/cons of going there, living there, missing on US typical environment, employment afterwards, several success stories, others not so much. This was an informative thread. Let’s keep this way and drop the

Agree. Let’s move on please.

I just read the whole thread after my Junior just told us this Summer that he wants to explore UK and EU schools and St Andrews in particular. He is interested in Management/Economics, but also Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology.

He is a very good golfer. As of June 15 he has had 14 coaches reach out. While we are trying to convince him to look at US schools and use Golf to get in the best school he can, he has zero interest in staying in the US. He wants to go to St Andrews and play golf in their performance team as they have the best Golf team in the UK. He has a EU passport and speaks 3 languages fluently. He has scored 1490 on his first SAT try and has 2x 5’s on AP US History and AP Engl. going to his Junior year.

He has been to St Andrews during the summer, but we are planning a trip around April to experience it during the academic year. Can anyone with experience here talk about the Mgmt/Econ (new business school) and Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology programs as it relates to difficulty of being admitted and any experience with them?

Thank you in advance,

If your kid considering a double honors program in both Mgmt/History or Econ/History?

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He still not sure. He likes business, economics and History. But he has not decided yet.But yes, a double honors degree would be great if that is the path he desires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

Check out MumsNet, which is a UK analogue to DCUM. There is a separate UK student site, but my mind has just blanked on its name...

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

Check out MumsNet, which is a UK analogue to DCUM. There is a separate UK student site, but my mind has just blanked on its name...

They do have a pretty long thread there…..Interesting to see the different perspectives from UK moms vs DCUM moms…..
I found the admissions data for 2023 for the the programs listed above and will post here later today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

So these are the numbers (admissions rate) for 2023 based on a freedom of info request in the UK for these subjects. These are not just for Scottish and RUK. This is for everything, including internationals.

MA Modern History - 33%
MA International Relations - 30% (872 applicants, the 4 most popular after Medicine, CS, Pscychology )
MA History - 25% (687 Applicants)
MA Management - 23%
MA Ancient History & Archeology - 22%
MA Ancient History - 18%
MA Management & Economics (Double Honors) - 17%
MA Economics - 15%
MA Medieval History & Archeology - 13%
MA Management & Modern History (Double Honors) - 10%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

My D will be a fresher this year. She went to a NE ski academy. The other US freshers she has gotten connected with are a a mix of private boarding & public. There seems to be some commonality of significant travel and/or living abroad experience and also sense of independence, self confidence/reliance, curiosity of the world. My D turned down some very solid options (albeit no ivies - she was not interested/ did not apply). I don’t really care how it’s ranked. I’m so excited for her opportunity. She loved the campus & the town. The student satisfaction is really high. I think it’s going to be incredible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

My D will be a fresher this year. She went to a NE ski academy. The other US freshers she has gotten connected with are a a mix of private boarding & public. There seems to be some commonality of significant travel and/or living abroad experience and also sense of independence, self confidence/reliance, curiosity of the world. My D turned down some very solid options (albeit no ivies - she was not interested/ did not apply). I don’t really care how it’s ranked. I’m so excited for her opportunity. She loved the campus & the town. The student satisfaction is really high. I think it’s going to be incredible.

Congrats to you D! What will she be studying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

So these are the numbers (admissions rate) for 2023 based on a freedom of info request in the UK for these subjects. These are not just for Scottish and RUK. This is for everything, including internationals.

MA Modern History - 33%
MA International Relations - 30% (872 applicants, the 4 most popular after Medicine, CS, Pscychology )
MA History - 25% (687 Applicants)
MA Management - 23%
MA Ancient History & Archeology - 22%
MA Ancient History - 18%
MA Management & Economics (Double Honors) - 17%
MA Economics - 15%
MA Medieval History & Archeology - 13%
MA Management & Modern History (Double Honors) - 10%

Thank you for the data. Wonder if it fluctuates much every year.
I didnt realize Medicine, CS, Psych and IR were the most popular…I thought it was IR first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

So these are the numbers (admissions rate) for 2023 based on a freedom of info request in the UK for these subjects. These are not just for Scottish and RUK. This is for everything, including internationals.

MA Modern History - 33%
MA International Relations - 30% (872 applicants, the 4 most popular after Medicine, CS, Pscychology )
MA History - 25% (687 Applicants)
MA Management - 23%
MA Ancient History & Archeology - 22%
MA Ancient History - 18%
MA Management & Economics (Double Honors) - 17%
MA Economics - 15%
MA Medieval History & Archeology - 13%
MA Management & Modern History (Double Honors) - 10%

These are lower than I thought since it includes internationals.

[Anonymous]

Ate there admission rate numbers for STEM, such as physics, math, and so on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ate there admission rate numbers for STEM, such as physics, math, and so on?

yes. I will look at it and share later.

[Anonymous]

There is a link earlier in this thread for offer data by all courses, including counts of applications. I believe the overall offer rate was somewhere around 23% in 2023. Widely varying by course.

It is important to note that offers do not equal acceptances. A significant majority of offers are conditional, and many students fail to meet their conditions / achieve predicted grades.

For example, the realized acceptance rate for economics was cited as somewhere around 8-9%.

There was a large increase in international applicants this year. It’ll be interesting to see the new data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

My D will be a fresher this year. She went to a NE ski academy. The other US freshers she has gotten connected with are a a mix of private boarding & public. There seems to be some commonality of significant travel and/or living abroad experience and also sense of independence, self confidence/reliance, curiosity of the world. My D turned down some very solid options (albeit no ivies - she was not interested/ did not apply). I don’t really care how it’s ranked. I’m so excited for her opportunity. She loved the campus & the town. The student satisfaction is really high. I think it’s going to be incredible.

Congrats to you D! What will she be studying?

Accepted for psychology- let’s see if she sticks with it. Also seems interested in anthro & maybe management.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

My D will be a fresher this year. She went to a NE ski academy. The other US freshers she has gotten connected with are a a mix of private boarding & public. There seems to be some commonality of significant travel and/or living abroad experience and also sense of independence, self confidence/reliance, curiosity of the world. My D turned down some very solid options (albeit no ivies - she was not interested/ did not apply). I don’t really care how it’s ranked. I’m so excited for her opportunity. She loved the campus & the town. The student satisfaction is really high. I think it’s going to be incredible.

Congrats to you D! What will she be studying?

Accepted for psychology- let’s see if she sticks with it. Also seems interested in anthro & maybe management.

That is an amazing program. According the latest UK complete guide Rankings it is one of their better ranked programs:

1 - Oxford
2 - St Andrews
3 - Cambridge
4 - Bath
5 - York
6- LSE