How to respond when kid gets into school and is Legacy

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Not these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

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I mean, you are applying from Sidwell…

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Not these days.

Not in the admissions office, but every moment up until then. Please try to use your brain.

The high school I graduated from doesn’t offer a single AP class. And not in the DC private school avoiding pressure cooker sense, but in the “we have never even had a student apply to Ivy League schools” sense. And of course our extracurriculars were not the favored ones, and I had to babysit and work in restaurants over my summers, not do resume-boosting internships or volunteer work.

First gen means my parents had nothing to offer in helping me put apps together, and coming from a rural low income area means no nonprofits or volunteers swooped in to offer free SAT classes and essay editing.

Every single step of trying to exercise that FGLI “privilege” is uphill.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You really have no idea how enrollment management and higher education finance works. Low-need an no-need students are always going to have an easier time getting in and are always more attractive to the institution. Almost all legacies are low- and no-need.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Not these days.

You should be poor then. It will make your life and your children’s lives much easier.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You don’t get it because you don’t want to.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Not these days.

Not in the admissions office, but every moment up until then. Please try to use your brain.

The high school I graduated from doesn’t offer a single AP class. And not in the DC private school avoiding pressure cooker sense, but in the “we have never even had a student apply to Ivy League schools” sense. And of course our extracurriculars were not the favored ones, and I had to babysit and work in restaurants over my summers, not do resume-boosting internships or volunteer work.

First gen means my parents had nothing to offer in helping me put apps together, and coming from a rural low income area means no nonprofits or volunteers swooped in to offer free SAT classes and essay editing.

Every single step of trying to exercise that FGLI “privilege” is uphill.

Twenty or thirty years ago, yes. Now there are many summer programs, and help with college apps run by both colleges and non profits for fgli.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You don’t get it because you don’t want to.

If you think legacies are still institutional priorities, you don’t get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Not these days.

You should be poor then. It will make your life and your children’s lives much easier.

Most elite colleges are shooting for 20 percent fgli and 20 percent Pell eligible. We had to go through three plus years of test optional to make this a reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You really have no idea how enrollment management and higher education finance works. Low-need an no-need students are always going to have an easier time getting in and are always more attractive to the institution. Almost all legacies are low- and no-need.

62 percent class at Pronceton receives aid. It’s lower but still over fifty percent at both Harvard and Yale,

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You really have no idea how enrollment management and higher education finance works. Low-need an no-need students are always going to have an easier time getting in and are always more attractive to the institution. Almost all legacies are low- and no-need.

62 percent class at Pronceton receives aid. It’s lower but still over fifty percent at both Harvard and Yale,

So 38% of Princeton families are able to foot a bill of over 90k/yr? And about half at Harvard and Yale? You realize 90k/yr is more than the median HOUSEHOLD INCOME in the U.S.? So rich people are VASTLY overrepresented still at HYP, even if FGLI numbers have increased in recent years.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Not these days.

You should be poor then. It will make your life and your children’s lives much easier.

Most elite colleges are shooting for 20 percent fgli and 20 percent Pell eligible. We had to go through three plus years of test optional to make this a reality.

34% of undergrads nationwide receive Pell grants. 20% means FGLI students are severely underrepresented. And most elite colleges aren’t even close to 20%.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You really have no idea how enrollment management and higher education finance works. Low-need an no-need students are always going to have an easier time getting in and are always more attractive to the institution. Almost all legacies are low- and no-need.

62 percent class at Pronceton receives aid. It’s lower but still over fifty percent at both Harvard and Yale,

So 38% of Princeton families are able to foot a bill of over 90k/yr? And about half at Harvard and Yale? You realize 90k/yr is more than the median HOUSEHOLD INCOME in the U.S.? So rich people are VASTLY overrepresented still at HYP, even if FGLI numbers have increased in recent years.

Better not send your kids there then, it’s elitist,

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Anonymous wrote:Posters in here want students to do the Native American land acknowledgement spiel with their legacy status. Sorry. Not going to happen. Kids worked hard and got in. Shame about those that didn’t, but there’s a college for everyone.

No, we just want people to stop pretending there isn’t a benefit to it when we all know there is.

More generally, we want people in positions of privilege to stop pretending that they earned everything by themselves and have the perspective to understand the privilege they were born into.

No what you want is students to apologize for getting in - where does it stop? Should they wear little badges around? An FGLI here? An athlete? Rich public school kid?

You overlook your own privilege and love pointing out everyone else’s

Nobody is asking for apologies. They are only asking for honesty. And generally, other groups are honest. Athletes and athlete parents typically are very straightforward about lower standards needed for admission. Same with FGLI. It’s only legacies and their parents that insist everyone pretend that legacies don’t have a significant advantage in admissions.

This entire thread was started because a legacy parent is freaking out because her child (who is nearly a legal adult) heard someone say that his parents went to the same school. That shows a level of fragility and entitlement that you just don’t see out of the other groups.

You don’t have to apologize. But don’t demand everyone pretend reality doesn’t exist, either.

No one is demanding anyone pretend anything. You’re the one demanding everyone ritually say “I got in and it’s because legacy admits have an easier time”.

Defensive much? No one thinks that, they just think it’s weird to act to another kid like it’s completely irrelevant and there’s no chance that being a double legacy broke the tie between two kids. If you or your kid can’t be gracious and honest in your good fortune I don’t know what to tell you.

Well what you do think the kid should say to such a rude comment?

“You’re right, I’m very lucky.” As a FGLI person myself I would never introduce myself as “FGLI, luckily!” so whoever said that upchain is a moron.

Well then what would you have said if someone said you got in only because you’re FGLI?

And why should they say “you’re right?” Just because legacies have a higher admit rate does not mean that legacies get in ONLY because they are legacies.

You are the first person ever to say anything as dumb as “you only got in because you had to swim very hard upstream against generational poverty going to an underperforming high school, how lucky!” so I never had to come up with a snappy retort for that. Most people understand FGLI requires much more grit and talent than being double legacy on top of being decidedly NOT lucky.

Defensive much? Questbridge kids have a lot of admissions advantage - and they’re FGLI. Would you be ok with people saying to them that they only got into school because of QB?

You wouldn’t and you shouldn’t. And you know why? Because it’s completely rude and off base.

I don’t find it rude, just dumb. FGLI get in because their success is more impressive due to their background. Legacy get in even though their success is less impressive. Which you should have explained to your kid a long time ago.

How do you know what success either particular kid has had? That’s where your argument falls apart.

As a general matter, when you're a legacy, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college easier for you. When you're FGLI, your family's educational and socioeconomic background makes getting into college harder for you.

Nope. Easier to get in as a FGLI than as a normal middle class kid. My very working class friend went to a no name school that doesn't even exist anymore but has a college degree. Her child was disadvantaged compared to FGLI's when applying to top schools, she might as well have been one. But as a white girl with a parent with a college degree, she had no chance. Even though in every measurable way she was far ahead of most FGLIs who got in.

Yeah it's definitely harder to have college-educated parents than be the child of undocumented chicken farmers in rural Delaware who don't even speak English and are afraid to go anywhere but church.

We aren’t talking about life. This is college admissions. Two very different things.

We’re talking about two sets of circumstances and which sets you up better for success in college admissions.

So at any school without legacy admissions it’s an advantage to the FGLI. Also legacy helps at one or two schools. FGLI helps at all of them.

Here’s how it works. Legacies start out at +1 by virtue of their family SES. At all schools, they have that +1. At their legacy schools, they have a +2. FGLI kids start at -1. The FGLI boost gets them to 0 at all schools.

You really have zero understanding of current institutional priorities. Schools are much more interested in FGLI and Pell grant eligible than legacies.

You really have no idea how enrollment management and higher education finance works. Low-need an no-need students are always going to have an easier time getting in and are always more attractive to the institution. Almost all legacies are low- and no-need.

62 percent class at Pronceton receives aid. It’s lower but still over fifty percent at both Harvard and Yale,

So 38% of Princeton families are able to foot a bill of over 90k/yr? And about half at Harvard and Yale? You realize 90k/yr is more than the median HOUSEHOLD INCOME in the U.S.? So rich people are VASTLY overrepresented still at HYP, even if FGLI numbers have increased in recent years.

Better not send your kids there then, it’s elitist,

Huh? I said poor students are underrepresented “there,” which is an objective fact. In any case, I hope my TWO-YEAR-OLD pursues public in Virginia. I wish I’d had such great public options in the state I grew up in.