U of St Andrews - Admissions per State

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread went from being an informative thread to a genital measuring contest. Oh my god. If you dont like St Andrews, go away. Why waste time here.
This all started when naysayers said NOBODY with a top US admission would go to St Andrews only to be faced with SEVERAL examples that this stmt was not necessarily true.

From there this went off rails….and destroyed what has been a nice informative thread for those considering St Andrews….OMG…DCUMERS are the worst.

I'm one of the guilty parties. But here's the thing: I like St Andrews. I think it's a great school. I can totally see why so many others do, too. I just feel like we need to control ourselves a little here. It's not the Ivy League and it's not even close. But there's nothing wrong with that. Most schools are not the Ivy League. St Andrew's is a smart choice for (1) an adventurous student from the USA who isn't quite top 25 material and doesn't want to spend 90k for Tulane, Wake, etc. or (2) an East Coast boarding school kid who could never adjust to mixing with the riff raff at a large, top ranked public school like Michigan, UC-Berkeley or UVA. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Anonymous]

I would go a step further given the abundance of evidence of kids (even if just 5-10% of American kids at St Andrews) that gave up Top 25 offers to go there. It is an individual choice. DCUMers like you love to make broad statements about “students that are not quite top 25 material”and yet, there is plenty of evidence that is not the rule.

Or are you going to crucify the kids of parents here on this board who decided to go to St Andrews or elsewhere outside Oxbridge despite having T25 offers on hand?

Let’s chill. Let people make decisions that work for them.

Comparing UK or EU schools to American schools is an exercise in futility. There is not standard agreement. You say A and I say B and we get nowhere.

This thread was about information about St Andrews, pros/cons of going there, living there, missing on US typical environment, employment afterwards, several success stories, others not so much. This was an informative thread. Let’s keep this way and drop the

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Anonymous wrote:These are the exact USA numbers according to OP for 2023:

Applications: 2218
Enrolled: 471
Yield: 33 percent

My math says that if these numbers are correct then 1413 were admitted, an admit rate of 63.7 percent. That’s safety school territory for the USA top 50.

English PP here. This is what infuriates some of us. Your american kids get a free pass. For our kids this is a tough admit. Two of my three children applied to St Andrews. One accepted and rejected at Oxford. The other accepted at Oxford and rejected at St Andrews. 3rd one didnt even try and is now in the US. But it funny that americans equate admission % to quality. As a previous poster mentioned, I guess that means Northeastern is better than Oxbridge….

I hear you. It's always the same story, isn't it? Money and privilege. The typical US student at St Andrews comes from money and has an elite private high school education. But they're not high achievers at their schools, don't have the academic chops for admission to the top privates in the US, and wouldn't be caught dead at a public school. So they turn down second tier privates in the US to attend St Andrews to save face.

Congrats on Northwestern btw. If it's any consolation, the vast majority of US students who end up at St Andrews wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting into Northwestern. So there's that at least.

You know this is BS right?

I have two kids who studied at Dartmouth and St Andrews. Dartmouth kid (PoliSci and History minor), St Andrews kid (IR and History double honors). Both kids had the exact same SAT score (1560). My St Andrews kids wanted to go away and turned down Dartmouth. Husband and I are Dartmouth grads. Oldest went there. Second one applied, got it and yet, decided no to attend as she wanted to go away.

So please, dont make generalizations based on what your view of “Typical” US St Andrews students are like. You might know a couple. We have come to know a few dozen over the years. Yes a large part fit the wealthy private school kids profile you indicated, but you are just s o wrong on the AVG American comment…anyhow.

After St Andrews she spent 4 yrs at LSE (graduate programs) is now teaching at a not to be named school in France.

So I say that a “typical” USA student at St Andrews is a rich private school kid, and you argue with that and say no, it’s not typical. It’s just a “large part.” Sounds like we’re splitting hairs here doesn’t it?

Ask your son who went to St Andrews how many of his American classmates turned down Ivy League offers to go there. And while you’re at it, ask him how many were not double legacies. What other Ivy League schools did your son get into besides your and your husband’s alma mater?

First of all, it is a SHE. My Dartmouth kids got in Penn, Notre Dame, Georgetown. My Dartmouth kid that went away, got into Cornell, Williams, Barnard.

And to continue the conversation. Her American friends were all over the place. Some turned down similar offers as my daughter (her best friend turned down Brown), others turned down a number of SLACS, others turned down schools in the t20-t40 range to be there. Your attitude is a little extreme.

But the large majority did not. Every Ivy League school has a yield of well over 50 percent. Like, well over. USA students accepted to an Ivy League school are highly likely to accept the offer, and when they don’t it’s because they choose Duke, Stanford, MIT etc. Not St Andrews. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s not routine. I’ll put it this way: there are way more USA kids at St Andrew’s who were rejected by the top ten or 15 USA universities than were accepted.

I respect St Andrew’s. But when it comes to the admissions process for USA students it’s just not that difficult.

Why is everyone caught up in the US admissions process and acceptance rate?

The key message here is that St Andrews is on the same level as the Top 10-15 schools in the US, even though it has a lower bar of entry. If anything this should encourage you to apply to St Andrews.

Don’t you get it, PP? To be “prestigious”, an institution must be highly rejective. This is among the gospel truths of the DCUM College/University forum!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would go a step further given the abundance of evidence of kids (even if just 5-10% of American kids at St Andrews) that gave up Top 25 offers to go there. It is an individual choice. DCUMers like you love to make broad statements about “students that are not quite top 25 material”and yet, there is plenty of evidence that is not the rule.

Or are you going to crucify the kids of parents here on this board who decided to go to St Andrews or elsewhere outside Oxbridge despite having T25 offers on hand?

Let’s chill. Let people make decisions that work for them.

Comparing UK or EU schools to American schools is an exercise in futility. There is not standard agreement. You say A and I say B and we get nowhere.

This thread was about information about St Andrews, pros/cons of going there, living there, missing on US typical environment, employment afterwards, several success stories, others not so much. This was an informative thread. Let’s keep this way and drop the

Agree. Let’s move on please.

I just read the whole thread after my Junior just told us this Summer that he wants to explore UK and EU schools and St Andrews in particular. He is interested in Management/Economics, but also Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology.

He is a very good golfer. As of June 15 he has had 14 coaches reach out. While we are trying to convince him to look at US schools and use Golf to get in the best school he can, he has zero interest in staying in the US. He wants to go to St Andrews and play golf in their performance team as they have the best Golf team in the UK. He has a EU passport and speaks 3 languages fluently. He has scored 1490 on his first SAT try and has 2x 5’s on AP US History and AP Engl. going to his Junior year.

He has been to St Andrews during the summer, but we are planning a trip around April to experience it during the academic year. Can anyone with experience here talk about the Mgmt/Econ (new business school) and Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology programs as it relates to difficulty of being admitted and any experience with them?

Thank you in advance,

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread went from being an informative thread to a genital measuring contest. Oh my god. If you dont like St Andrews, go away. Why waste time here.
This all started when naysayers said NOBODY with a top US admission would go to St Andrews only to be faced with SEVERAL examples that this stmt was not necessarily true.

From there this went off rails….and destroyed what has been a nice informative thread for those considering St Andrews….OMG…DCUMERS are the worst.

I'm one of the guilty parties. But here's the thing: I like St Andrews. I think it's a great school. I can totally see why so many others do, too. I just feel like we need to control ourselves a little here. It's not the Ivy League and it's not even close. But there's nothing wrong with that. Most schools are not the Ivy League. St Andrew's is a smart choice for (1) an adventurous student from the USA who isn't quite top 25 material and doesn't want to spend 90k for Tulane, Wake, etc. or (2) an East Coast boarding school kid who could never adjust to mixing with the riff raff at a large, top ranked public school like Michigan, UC-Berkeley or UVA. Makes perfect sense to me.

+1. Threads like these only go off the rails when boosters start making outlandish claims that need to be corrected so that other people—who don’t know any better and genuinely want accurate information—don’t end up misinformed.

I also like St Andrews. I think people sending their kids there thinking it is a lower Ivy and IB/MBB target are going to end up disappointed. So, yeah, I called this out and I’m not sorry about it. People need accurate info not just rainbows and unicorns.

Agree with PP on who it is a smart choice for.

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DP. Threads go off the rails when people feel compelled to argue. It is not about claims being true or not.

[Anonymous]

My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

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The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. Threads go off the rails when people feel compelled to argue. It is not about claims being true or not.

Yeah, you’re right, misinformation shouldn’t be corrected. The value of a college forum is in ensuring people have no idea what reality looks like and allowing the most insecure posters to claim whatever they want.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. Threads go off the rails when people feel compelled to argue. It is not about claims being true or not.

Yeah, you’re right, misinformation shouldn’t be corrected. The value of a college forum is in ensuring people have no idea what reality looks like and allowing the most insecure posters to claim whatever they want.

This is DCUM which is a source for a wide range of -opinions-. Even alleged facts posted here are really someone's opinion. Readers have enough sense to realize that an anonymous forum is not a reliable source for facts. It is the contentious posters that strike me as less credible and more insecure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure how this thread went from being an informative thread to a genital measuring contest. Oh my god. If you dont like St Andrews, go away. Why waste time here.
This all started when naysayers said NOBODY with a top US admission would go to St Andrews only to be faced with SEVERAL examples that this stmt was not necessarily true.

From there this went off rails….and destroyed what has been a nice informative thread for those considering St Andrews….OMG…DCUMERS are the worst.

I'm one of the guilty parties. But here's the thing: I like St Andrews. I think it's a great school. I can totally see why so many others do, too. I just feel like we need to control ourselves a little here. It's not the Ivy League and it's not even close. But there's nothing wrong with that. Most schools are not the Ivy League. St Andrew's is a smart choice for (1) an adventurous student from the USA who isn't quite top 25 material and doesn't want to spend 90k for Tulane, Wake, etc. or (2) an East Coast boarding school kid who could never adjust to mixing with the riff raff at a large, top ranked public school like Michigan, UC-Berkeley or UVA. Makes perfect sense to me.

I feel like this is a weirdly negative spin. There's a real void of middle size schools. esp if the Catholic schools don't speak to you. It doesnt mean you can't *adjust* to Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dartmouth poster obviously has smart kids and kudos to them but what she's describing isn't typical. On average 70 percent of Ivy admits accept the offer, and when they turn the offer down it's usually for another Ivy offer, a Stanford, MIT, top SLAC etc. That doesn't leave a lot of room for a school like St Andrews.

I'd be interested to know what percent of USA St Andrews students went to USA private/boarding schools. I'll bet it's very high. St Andrews is definitely a niche school in the USA.

Im the PP Dartmouth poster. I was just providing an alternative view to a PP that said only those who failed at T25 go there. I didnt way it was typical. In my kid’s universe of friends (granted, that was not all of the 1800 American kids there), she had several friends (boys and girls) that gave up t25 offers to go there. Most of them were basically full pay t25 offers. Sometimes it was major related, others a combo of wanting to get away and having the ability to do so, others was because of the ability to double major in certain niche subjects not available in their offer back home. Im; sure there are those who give up Miami or Tulane to go there, but there is no denying there are those who could have stayed at a t25 and decided to go anyway. It is not a one sided solution. Different kids/families might have different views priorities. I don’t think anybody I know personally has ever argued about St Andrews being superior to Ivies….That was never the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My perception, possibly wrong, is that Mgmt/Econ would be a more competitive degree than the other option posed.

That is partly because the Mgmt/Econ degree will have a higher salary than Medieval Studies etc.

You would be surprised how competitive History is. But there are lot of History programs, Modern/Ancient/History/etc. You might be right. My son told me Econ/Mgmt or Fin/Econ or Mgmt/IR are some of the most popular, therefore competitive degrees. I think the difference here is that ther business school (Econ/Fin/Mgmt) is much bigger than History. So there are more spots available. I will see if I can find more data in the “whatdotheyknow”website.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would go a step further given the abundance of evidence of kids (even if just 5-10% of American kids at St Andrews) that gave up Top 25 offers to go there. It is an individual choice. DCUMers like you love to make broad statements about “students that are not quite top 25 material”and yet, there is plenty of evidence that is not the rule.

Or are you going to crucify the kids of parents here on this board who decided to go to St Andrews or elsewhere outside Oxbridge despite having T25 offers on hand?

Let’s chill. Let people make decisions that work for them.

Comparing UK or EU schools to American schools is an exercise in futility. There is not standard agreement. You say A and I say B and we get nowhere.

This thread was about information about St Andrews, pros/cons of going there, living there, missing on US typical environment, employment afterwards, several success stories, others not so much. This was an informative thread. Let’s keep this way and drop the

Agree. Let’s move on please.

I just read the whole thread after my Junior just told us this Summer that he wants to explore UK and EU schools and St Andrews in particular. He is interested in Management/Economics, but also Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology.

He is a very good golfer. As of June 15 he has had 14 coaches reach out. While we are trying to convince him to look at US schools and use Golf to get in the best school he can, he has zero interest in staying in the US. He wants to go to St Andrews and play golf in their performance team as they have the best Golf team in the UK. He has a EU passport and speaks 3 languages fluently. He has scored 1490 on his first SAT try and has 2x 5’s on AP US History and AP Engl. going to his Junior year.

He has been to St Andrews during the summer, but we are planning a trip around April to experience it during the academic year. Can anyone with experience here talk about the Mgmt/Econ (new business school) and Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology programs as it relates to difficulty of being admitted and any experience with them?

Thank you in advance,

If your kid considering a double honors program in both Mgmt/History or Econ/History?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would go a step further given the abundance of evidence of kids (even if just 5-10% of American kids at St Andrews) that gave up Top 25 offers to go there. It is an individual choice. DCUMers like you love to make broad statements about “students that are not quite top 25 material”and yet, there is plenty of evidence that is not the rule.

Or are you going to crucify the kids of parents here on this board who decided to go to St Andrews or elsewhere outside Oxbridge despite having T25 offers on hand?

Let’s chill. Let people make decisions that work for them.

Comparing UK or EU schools to American schools is an exercise in futility. There is not standard agreement. You say A and I say B and we get nowhere.

This thread was about information about St Andrews, pros/cons of going there, living there, missing on US typical environment, employment afterwards, several success stories, others not so much. This was an informative thread. Let’s keep this way and drop the

Agree. Let’s move on please.

I just read the whole thread after my Junior just told us this Summer that he wants to explore UK and EU schools and St Andrews in particular. He is interested in Management/Economics, but also Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology.

He is a very good golfer. As of June 15 he has had 14 coaches reach out. While we are trying to convince him to look at US schools and use Golf to get in the best school he can, he has zero interest in staying in the US. He wants to go to St Andrews and play golf in their performance team as they have the best Golf team in the UK. He has a EU passport and speaks 3 languages fluently. He has scored 1490 on his first SAT try and has 2x 5’s on AP US History and AP Engl. going to his Junior year.

He has been to St Andrews during the summer, but we are planning a trip around April to experience it during the academic year. Can anyone with experience here talk about the Mgmt/Econ (new business school) and Ancient/Medieval History/Archeology programs as it relates to difficulty of being admitted and any experience with them?

Thank you in advance,

Does St Andrews offer golf scholarships?