What is the End Game in Ukraine?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Putin read the room when he met with Xi and Modi. Or if he did, he forgot to send the memo to the mouthpieces to cut it out.

Implying NATO ground forces are involved is super dangerous propaganda. I've seen this type of pretense before. I would expect some type of "chicken" or fake damage to Russian military assets being played out with NATO within the next 30 days?

Putin is playing to an audience in Russia. There’s no other way for him to hide behind the fact that the invasion has been a debacle and laid bare the fact that the Russian military is inept and hollowed out by corruption. Russian supply lines to Donbas have been severed, troops are deserting and Russia is attempting to conscript prisoners with promises of clemency. It’s forced to bring T62 tanks into service that were outdated back in the mid-70s.

OTOH the situation in UKR would be entirely different without NATO intelligence capabilities, logistics and armaments. Putin bet the house on NATO splintering and yet two more nations are in the process of joining and all most members have punched above their weight. Germany stands out as a disappointment and the jury is still out on whether Italy will start to wobble.

As bad as the Russian army is, it would have had the upper hand if Ukraine didn't get outside assistance. IMO it's a bit of an unrealistic bar to expect one country to stand up to a global effort to arm its opponent.

I also don't quite know if Ukraine is the right country to carry the anti-corruption flag. It was named the most corrupt in Europe just before the war.

It’s where western Elites launder money and produce illegal germ weapons. That’s why it’s a total freak out. It will end with Russia winning or else being nuked into rubble.

Produce reputable sources for that or be deleted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Putin read the room when he met with Xi and Modi. Or if he did, he forgot to send the memo to the mouthpieces to cut it out.

Implying NATO ground forces are involved is super dangerous propaganda. I've seen this type of pretense before. I would expect some type of "chicken" or fake damage to Russian military assets being played out with NATO within the next 30 days?

Putin is playing to an audience in Russia. There’s no other way for him to hide behind the fact that the invasion has been a debacle and laid bare the fact that the Russian military is inept and hollowed out by corruption. Russian supply lines to Donbas have been severed, troops are deserting and Russia is attempting to conscript prisoners with promises of clemency. It’s forced to bring T62 tanks into service that were outdated back in the mid-70s.

OTOH the situation in UKR would be entirely different without NATO intelligence capabilities, logistics and armaments. Putin bet the house on NATO splintering and yet two more nations are in the process of joining and all most members have punched above their weight. Germany stands out as a disappointment and the jury is still out on whether Italy will start to wobble.

As bad as the Russian army is, it would have had the upper hand if Ukraine didn't get outside assistance. IMO it's a bit of an unrealistic bar to expect one country to stand up to a global effort to arm its opponent.

I also don't quite know if Ukraine is the right country to carry the anti-corruption flag. It was named the most corrupt in Europe just before the war.

So you are in favor of Russian death squads and rape camps because you think Ukraine is corrupt and therefore does not have a right to defend itself or get get from others? Wow that is f’ed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Endgame? Get Russia out of a sovereign country, including Crimea.

Am bumping this response from the first page of the thread.

I hope that once the Russians leave Crimea, Ukraine is admitted to NATO with its legal boundaries intact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Putin read the room when he met with Xi and Modi. Or if he did, he forgot to send the memo to the mouthpieces to cut it out.

Implying NATO ground forces are involved is super dangerous propaganda. I've seen this type of pretense before. I would expect some type of "chicken" or fake damage to Russian military assets being played out with NATO within the next 30 days?

Putin is playing to an audience in Russia. There’s no other way for him to hide behind the fact that the invasion has been a debacle and laid bare the fact that the Russian military is inept and hollowed out by corruption. Russian supply lines to Donbas have been severed, troops are deserting and Russia is attempting to conscript prisoners with promises of clemency. It’s forced to bring T62 tanks into service that were outdated back in the mid-70s.

OTOH the situation in UKR would be entirely different without NATO intelligence capabilities, logistics and armaments. Putin bet the house on NATO splintering and yet two more nations are in the process of joining and all most members have punched above their weight. Germany stands out as a disappointment and the jury is still out on whether Italy will start to wobble.

As bad as the Russian army is, it would have had the upper hand if Ukraine didn't get outside assistance. IMO it's a bit of an unrealistic bar to expect one country to stand up to a global effort to arm its opponent.

I also don't quite know if Ukraine is the right country to carry the anti-corruption flag. It was named the most corrupt in Europe just before the war.

It’s where western Elites launder money and produce illegal germ weapons. That’s why it’s a total freak out. It will end with Russia winning or else being nuked into rubble.

St. Petersburg troll farm isn’t sending their best people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Putin read the room when he met with Xi and Modi. Or if he did, he forgot to send the memo to the mouthpieces to cut it out.

Implying NATO ground forces are involved is super dangerous propaganda. I've seen this type of pretense before. I would expect some type of "chicken" or fake damage to Russian military assets being played out with NATO within the next 30 days?

Putin is playing to an audience in Russia. There’s no other way for him to hide behind the fact that the invasion has been a debacle and laid bare the fact that the Russian military is inept and hollowed out by corruption. Russian supply lines to Donbas have been severed, troops are deserting and Russia is attempting to conscript prisoners with promises of clemency. It’s forced to bring T62 tanks into service that were outdated back in the mid-70s.

OTOH the situation in UKR would be entirely different without NATO intelligence capabilities, logistics and armaments. Putin bet the house on NATO splintering and yet two more nations are in the process of joining and all most members have punched above their weight. Germany stands out as a disappointment and the jury is still out on whether Italy will start to wobble.

As bad as the Russian army is, it would have had the upper hand if Ukraine didn't get outside assistance. IMO it's a bit of an unrealistic bar to expect one country to stand up to a global effort to arm its opponent.

I also don't quite know if Ukraine is the right country to carry the anti-corruption flag. It was named the most corrupt in Europe just before the war.

It’s where western Elites launder money and produce illegal germ weapons. That’s why it’s a total freak out. It will end with Russia winning or else being nuked into rubble.

St. Petersburg troll farm isn’t sending their best people.

First of all you can’t blame anybody for laundering money in a place where it’s not illegal, the germ warfare stuff is for national defense where if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying. But anybody who thinks Russia will just quit over a country they see as a buffer from NATO is exceedingly illogical. Russia either wins or makes the world pay a horrible price. The West has more to live for than Russia and is therefore softer and more frightened of nuclear Holocaust. Russia has the psychological upper hand in end of days scenarios.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Endgame? Get Russia out of a sovereign country, including Crimea.

Am bumping this response from the first page of the thread.

I hope that once the Russians leave Crimea, Ukraine is admitted to NATO with its legal boundaries intact.

Any eventual cessation of hostilities will likely include an agreement on the part of Ukraine to withhold joining NATO for a specified number of years. It also could include a referendum on independence for Crimea. Ukraine has lost upwards of 10,000 soldiers and countless civilian casualties. Then there’s the matter of the thousands sent to filtration camps and resettled throughout Russia. Defining victory in the face of genocidal war crimes will not be a simple matter for Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Putin read the room when he met with Xi and Modi. Or if he did, he forgot to send the memo to the mouthpieces to cut it out.

Implying NATO ground forces are involved is super dangerous propaganda. I've seen this type of pretense before. I would expect some type of "chicken" or fake damage to Russian military assets being played out with NATO within the next 30 days?

Putin is playing to an audience in Russia. There’s no other way for him to hide behind the fact that the invasion has been a debacle and laid bare the fact that the Russian military is inept and hollowed out by corruption. Russian supply lines to Donbas have been severed, troops are deserting and Russia is attempting to conscript prisoners with promises of clemency. It’s forced to bring T62 tanks into service that were outdated back in the mid-70s.

OTOH the situation in UKR would be entirely different without NATO intelligence capabilities, logistics and armaments. Putin bet the house on NATO splintering and yet two more nations are in the process of joining and all most members have punched above their weight. Germany stands out as a disappointment and the jury is still out on whether Italy will start to wobble.

As bad as the Russian army is, it would have had the upper hand if Ukraine didn't get outside assistance. IMO it's a bit of an unrealistic bar to expect one country to stand up to a global effort to arm its opponent.

I also don't quite know if Ukraine is the right country to carry the anti-corruption flag. It was named the most corrupt in Europe just before the war.

It’s where western Elites launder money and produce illegal germ weapons. That’s why it’s a total freak out. It will end with Russia winning or else being nuked into rubble.

St. Petersburg troll farm isn’t sending their best people.

First of all you can’t blame anybody for laundering money in a place where it’s not illegal, the germ warfare stuff is for national defense where if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying. But anybody who thinks Russia will just quit over a country they see as a buffer from NATO is exceedingly illogical. Russia either wins or makes the world pay a horrible price. The West has more to live for than Russia and is therefore softer and more frightened of nuclear Holocaust. Russia has the psychological upper hand in end of days scenarios.

The Ukrainian biological warfare labs is straight up Russian disinformation. As for money laundering, Ukraine isn’t on the FATF grey list and ranks somewhere between Russia and the US on the Basel AML Index. More nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Putin read the room when he met with Xi and Modi. Or if he did, he forgot to send the memo to the mouthpieces to cut it out.

Implying NATO ground forces are involved is super dangerous propaganda. I've seen this type of pretense before. I would expect some type of "chicken" or fake damage to Russian military assets being played out with NATO within the next 30 days?

Putin is playing to an audience in Russia. There’s no other way for him to hide behind the fact that the invasion has been a debacle and laid bare the fact that the Russian military is inept and hollowed out by corruption. Russian supply lines to Donbas have been severed, troops are deserting and Russia is attempting to conscript prisoners with promises of clemency. It’s forced to bring T62 tanks into service that were outdated back in the mid-70s.

OTOH the situation in UKR would be entirely different without NATO intelligence capabilities, logistics and armaments. Putin bet the house on NATO splintering and yet two more nations are in the process of joining and all most members have punched above their weight. Germany stands out as a disappointment and the jury is still out on whether Italy will start to wobble.

As bad as the Russian army is, it would have had the upper hand if Ukraine didn't get outside assistance. IMO it's a bit of an unrealistic bar to expect one country to stand up to a global effort to arm its opponent.

I also don't quite know if Ukraine is the right country to carry the anti-corruption flag. It was named the most corrupt in Europe just before the war.

Most corrupt only if you ignore Russia. The gaslighting never ceases.

[Anonymous]

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Sure, that Muzhuk-Vorontsov DOJ case was nonsense, pal. Also the Kolomoisky-Boholiubov case. Just two popping up with a quick search.

Where’s the oversight of US taxpayer money and US weaponry pouring in?

[Anonymous]

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Sure, that Muzhuk-Vorontsov DOJ case was nonsense, pal. Also the Kolomoisky-Boholiubov case. Just two popping up with a quick search.

Where’s the oversight of US taxpayer money and US weaponry pouring in?

Nobody is arguing that there isn’t any corruption or money laundering, pal. But you know that, right? Waste, fraud and abuse are inherent in any federal program, whether it’s PPP under Trump or decades spent in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. The US is focused on transhipping military equipment not handing out cash to bribe tribal leaders. The DOD IG and Congress will be exercising oversight because that’s their job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:🙄

Sure, that Muzhuk-Vorontsov DOJ case was nonsense, pal. Also the Kolomoisky-Boholiubov case. Just two popping up with a quick search.

Where’s the oversight of US taxpayer money and US weaponry pouring in?

The weapons are being used to defend Ukraine. Guess it not like Afghanistan where the right wing nut jobs like yourself stole everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:🙄

Sure, that Muzhuk-Vorontsov DOJ case was nonsense, pal. Also the Kolomoisky-Boholiubov case. Just two popping up with a quick search.

Where’s the oversight of US taxpayer money and US weaponry pouring in?

Nobody is arguing that there isn’t any corruption or money laundering, pal. But you know that, right? Waste, fraud and abuse are inherent in any federal program, whether it’s PPP under Trump or decades spent in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. The US is focused on transhipping military equipment not handing out cash to bribe tribal leaders. The DOD IG and Congress will be exercising oversight because that’s their job.

Pal, State isn’t even cooperating with SIGAR. What makes you think DoD cooperation w/ an ACTING IG be any better? The latest $$$ dump is going for the long game. At least there has been a new US ambassador to the Russian Federation nominated.

Ukrainian officials do their accounting of American equipment with “hand receipts, it’s all paper.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:🙄

Sure, that Muzhuk-Vorontsov DOJ case was nonsense, pal. Also the Kolomoisky-Boholiubov case. Just two popping up with a quick search.

Where’s the oversight of US taxpayer money and US weaponry pouring in?

Nobody is arguing that there isn’t any corruption or money laundering, pal. But you know that, right? Waste, fraud and abuse are inherent in any federal program, whether it’s PPP under Trump or decades spent in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. The US is focused on transhipping military equipment not handing out cash to bribe tribal leaders. The DOD IG and Congress will be exercising oversight because that’s their job.

Pal, State isn’t even cooperating with SIGAR. What makes you think DoD cooperation w/ an ACTING IG be any better? The latest $$$ dump is going for the long game. At least there has been a new US ambassador to the Russian Federation nominated.

Ukrainian officials do their accounting of American equipment with “hand receipts, it’s all paper.”

You do understand that it’s relatively easy to inventory the number of HIMARS loaded onto a plane? DoD logistics is first rate. We don’t need a receipt.

[Anonymous]

The US has entered into the lend-lease arrangement at this point. There is every incentive to track military hardware. We aren’t supplying the Contras with CIA airplanes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:🙄

Sure, that Muzhuk-Vorontsov DOJ case was nonsense, pal. Also the Kolomoisky-Boholiubov case. Just two popping up with a quick search.

Where’s the oversight of US taxpayer money and US weaponry pouring in?

Nobody is arguing that there isn’t any corruption or money laundering, pal. But you know that, right? Waste, fraud and abuse are inherent in any federal program, whether it’s PPP under Trump or decades spent in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. The US is focused on transhipping military equipment not handing out cash to bribe tribal leaders. The DOD IG and Congress will be exercising oversight because that’s their job.

Pal, State isn’t even cooperating with SIGAR. What makes you think DoD cooperation w/ an ACTING IG be any better? The latest $$$ dump is going for the long game. At least there has been a new US ambassador to the Russian Federation nominated.

Ukrainian officials do their accounting of American equipment with “hand receipts, it’s all paper.”

You do understand that it’s relatively easy to inventory the number of HIMARS loaded onto a plane? DoD logistics is first rate. We don’t need a receipt.

Look the pp is not serious. They have no idea what they are posting about. Their only intent is to undermine the US, Western Europe and the Ukrainians.