DC UA tryout$ - aka CSE money grab

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The VA Metro coaches are the coaches for the UA team. Our club team destroyed them the last time we played (something like 15-1). They had 9-10 girls called back to final Command game, we had 3. Come on, it's a joke.
Why not have coaches switch regions for the tryout? There are a million ways to make it fair and unbiased, and they do none of them.
But it will continue to be until parents don't support it. I am impressed with the good players who didn't go this year because they know how it works. This is our last year. Will never give them money like an idiot again. The only way they stop is if parents stop supporting them. Hopefully, enough parents will feel that way soon.

It’s clearly political. So obvious. The Metro coaches are terrible. One is at Flint Hill, and terrible. The other got fired from Centreville after one year because they won one game. Two peas in a pod.

Somehow 4 VAM girls make the Command team --- more than Capital, Pride and Stars combined. I don't even like all of those clubs and I will admit it smells fishy. VAM doesn't play anywhere near the level of teams and schedule those clubs play. If the Metro girls are that good, why do they struggle in their mid-level tournaments? Bad coaching? Then why are they the UA coaches? If the coaches are that good, why can't they win with that talent? Maybe the talent isn't really that good?

You would be an idiot to not see that players make the team if their coaches are the head coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The VA Metro coaches are the coaches for the UA team. Our club team destroyed them the last time we played (something like 15-1). They had 9-10 girls called back to final Command game, we had 3. Come on, it's a joke.
Why not have coaches switch regions for the tryout? There are a million ways to make it fair and unbiased, and they do none of them.
But it will continue to be until parents don't support it. I am impressed with the good players who didn't go this year because they know how it works. This is our last year. Will never give them money like an idiot again. The only way they stop is if parents stop supporting them. Hopefully, enough parents will feel that way soon.

It’s clearly political. So obvious. The Metro coaches are terrible. One is at Flint Hill, and terrible. The other got fired from Centreville after one year because they won one game. Two peas in a pod.

Somehow 4 VAM girls make the Command team --- more than Capital, Pride and Stars combined. I don't even like all of those clubs and I will admit it smells fishy. VAM doesn't play anywhere near the level of teams and schedule those clubs play. If the Metro girls are that good, why do they struggle in their mid-level tournaments? Bad coaching? Then why are they the UA coaches? If the coaches are that good, why can't they win with that talent? Maybe the talent isn't really that good?

You would be an idiot to not see that players make the team if their coaches are the head coaches.

I know this is an annual complaint, but the top players in the area by and large do seem to make the Highlight team. If you look at the schools where they are from. They are the tops in the IAC and WCAC, and for the girls the ISL. Not defending any past slights, but this just seems like sour grapes over not making a roster or being on the wrong high school or club team.

[Anonymous]

Isn't UA divesting from lacrosse equipment and sticking to just sports apparel? This might be the last event they hold.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The VA Metro coaches are the coaches for the UA team. Our club team destroyed them the last time we played (something like 15-1). They had 9-10 girls called back to final Command game, we had 3. Come on, it's a joke.
Why not have coaches switch regions for the tryout? There are a million ways to make it fair and unbiased, and they do none of them.
But it will continue to be until parents don't support it. I am impressed with the good players who didn't go this year because they know how it works. This is our last year. Will never give them money like an idiot again. The only way they stop is if parents stop supporting them. Hopefully, enough parents will feel that way soon.[/quote]

It’s clearly political. So obvious. The Metro coaches are terrible. One is at Flint Hill, and terrible. The other got fired from Centreville after one year because they won one game. Two peas in a pod. [/quote]

Somehow 4 VAM girls make the Command team --- more than Capital, Pride and Stars combined. I don't even like all of those clubs and I will admit it smells fishy. VAM doesn't play anywhere near the level of teams and schedule those clubs play. If the Metro girls are that good, why do they struggle in their mid-level tournaments? Bad coaching? Then why are they the UA coaches? If the coaches are that good, why can't they win with that talent? Maybe the talent isn't really that good?[/quote]

You would be an idiot to not see that players make the team if their coaches are the head coaches. [/quote]

I know this is an annual complaint, but the top players in the area by and large do seem to make the Highlight team. If you look at the schools where they are from. They are the tops in the IAC and WCAC, and for the girls the ISL. Not defending any past slights, but this just seems like sour grapes over not making a roster or being on the wrong high school or club team.[/quote]

It’s not sour grapes. As an long time observer of the try outs - this event is utterly corrupt and it’s an open secret of lacrosse insiders. There is no real evaluating going on. The evaluators/ coaches from different schools and clubs agree to join up and trade votes to get their favorites on the team. Yes some players make it through who are the best (if they are backed by someone involved) but just as many would not have rosters spots if it wasn’t arranged by the evaluators and coaches. If you could get a list of the evaluators from the tryout, see where they work and where the players are from there would be no denying it. Every year it gets worse and it’s completely obvious if you know who is who. Look at both division rosters, group kids by schools and clubs and it will be obvious what groups had the most votes this year. The folks saying this are not just disappointed kids or parents. There is a reason certain kids didn’t even bother to come this year (from top schools and top clubs). They know the deal. It is the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The VA Metro coaches are the coaches for the UA team. Our club team destroyed them the last time we played (something like 15-1). They had 9-10 girls called back to final Command game, we had 3. Come on, it's a joke.
Why not have coaches switch regions for the tryout? There are a million ways to make it fair and unbiased, and they do none of them.
But it will continue to be until parents don't support it. I am impressed with the good players who didn't go this year because they know how it works. This is our last year. Will never give them money like an idiot again. The only way they stop is if parents stop supporting them. Hopefully, enough parents will feel that way soon.

It’s clearly political. So obvious. The Metro coaches are terrible. One is at Flint Hill, and terrible. The other got fired from Centreville after one year because they won one game. Two peas in a pod.

Somehow 4 VAM girls make the Command team --- more than Capital, Pride and Stars combined. I don't even like all of those clubs and I will admit it smells fishy. VAM doesn't play anywhere near the level of teams and schedule those clubs play. If the Metro girls are that good, why do they struggle in their mid-level tournaments? Bad coaching? Then why are they the UA coaches? If the coaches are that good, why can't they win with that talent? Maybe the talent isn't really that good?

You would be an idiot to not see that players make the team if their coaches are the head coaches.

I know this is an annual complaint, but the top players in the area by and large do seem to make the Highlight team. If you look at the schools where they are from. They are the tops in the IAC and WCAC, and for the girls the ISL. Not defending any past slights, but this just seems like sour grapes over not making a roster or being on the wrong high school or club team.

It’s not sour grapes. As an long time observer of the try outs - this event is utterly corrupt and it’s an open secret of lacrosse insiders. There is no real evaluating going on. The evaluators/ coaches from different schools and clubs agree to join up and trade votes to get their favorites on the team. Yes some players make it through who are the best (if they are backed by someone involved) but just as many would not have rosters spots if it wasn’t arranged by the evaluators and coaches. If you could get a list of the evaluators from the tryout, see where they work and where the players are from there would be no denying it. Every year it gets worse and it’s completely obvious if you know who is who. Look at both division rosters, group kids by schools and clubs and it will be obvious what groups had the most votes this year. The folks saying this are not just disappointed kids or parents. There is a reason certain kids didn’t even bother to come this year (from top schools and top clubs). They know the deal. It is the facts.

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[Anonymous]

I just don't buy it outside of the margins. Maybe on the younger UA Command team, but most of the girls on the UA Highlight squad are committed, and not just anywhere but top 20 programs. So again sure maybe there's some issues but by and large you'd be disagreeing with coaches at top 20 programs like Penn, Notre Dame, Richmond, Hopkins, Penn State and UVA on the boys and girls Highlight teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't buy it outside of the margins. Maybe on the younger UA Command team, but most of the girls on the UA Highlight squad are committed, and not just anywhere but top 20 programs. So again sure maybe there's some issues but by and large you'd be disagreeing with coaches at top 20 programs like Penn, Notre Dame, Richmond, Hopkins, Penn State and UVA on the boys and girls Highlight teams.

There are ‘21 girls on highlight roster who are committed to Penn, Hopkins, UVA, Yale, VATech and Richmond that are legit although there are better players committed to top D1 programs who didn’t bother to try out because they know it’s bs. There are other ‘21s rostered who are not committed or committed to schools with joke programs. With the ‘22s, only 1-2 girls deserve their spot. Others are pure horse trades.

[Anonymous]

Re Highlite team, the discussion is probably only around a handful of girls; those that are uncommitted that were kept vs. those that are committed that didn’t make the team.

At the Command level, without the stamp of approval of some type of college commitment, it is far murkier and political.

My bigger issue is the influx of Baltimore girls who didn’t make the the Baltimore squad. It makes no sense for the coaches to pick bmore girls for DC region. It doesn’t help any of the girls or other coaches/programs who are trying to establish DC as a real power in girl’s lacrosse. That rising tide would lift all boats, but the moronic decisions of these coaches only fuel the reputation of Baltimore as they took girls who already have been cut.

[Anonymous]

This event has a history of issues following it -- politics and player selection. Speaking only for the Command team this year, some may want to call it sour grapes, but when you look closely at the final roster you can't help but walk away scratching your head. Four players each made the team from VAM and YJS. I'm sure there are some good players in this group, but at this age neither team is considered near the strongest in the area. So, the question is how did this happen. The answer, the coaches selecting the team for one. This has been a known issue for many years. The bigger issue, so number two, many of the top players from the top two VA clubs didn't even bother to tryout. Congratulations to those girls who made the team, but there is a bigger issue at hand. Why won't the best VA talent bother with this event? The top players in VA consistently compete against the strongest players in the country. The difference is not the talent on an individual level, it's that VA teams from top to bottom just don't have the depth. But the top players can hold their own. Why are they not coming out to this event. If we can convince the top players to come out DC would field a team that could compete for a championship in this event every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This event has a history of issues following it -- politics and player selection. Speaking only for the Command team this year, some may want to call it sour grapes, but when you look closely at the final roster you can't help but walk away scratching your head. Four players each made the team from VAM and YJS. I'm sure there are some good players in this group, but at this age neither team is considered near the strongest in the area. So, the question is how did this happen. The answer, the coaches selecting the team for one. This has been a known issue for many years. The bigger issue, so number two, many of the top players from the top two VA clubs didn't even bother to tryout. Congratulations to those girls who made the team, but there is a bigger issue at hand. Why won't the best VA talent bother with this event? The top players in VA consistently compete against the strongest players in the country. The difference is not the talent on an individual level, it's that VA teams from top to bottom just don't have the depth. But the top players can hold their own. Why are they not coming out to this event. If we can convince the top players to come out DC would field a team that could compete for a championship in this event every year.

First of all, its Washington DC, aka the DMV, not just VA. Some of the top schools in the ISL and top players for DC, at both highlight and command level come from all three areas and many of those kids didn't even bother to show up. Very few Baltimore players made the highlight team anyway even though strong ones tried out. They didn't have chance as they didn't have any backers. Second, there are more than a few kids in the highlight division who are nationally ranked and recognized players with a solid history of talented play in schools and clubs who didn't show up or were cut. More than just a few of the girls who were rostered are not at that level and can't play at that level.

Its facts, not sour grapes. I dont have a kid who tried out for the girls teams. People (who were there and observed from the sidelines) are sharing the truth here. Sorry if you are too stubborn or delusional to acknowledge the facts but there is no getting around them. Only a fool or someone with a kid who made the team and clearly didn't deserve it would continue to claim otherwise. The kids who made it and are genuinely that talented know who they are and won't say any differently - they know exactly which other players have no business on the team with them. Only the ringers claim sour grapes.

[Anonymous]

Plenty of the girls on the top Club and HS teams didn't try out this year. That's a fact, not sour grapes. I've watched the event lose it's luster over the last four years which is a shame because it was a real honor tp make a team and fun to watch the girls play.

[Anonymous]

Boys tryout Monday watch as the SJC JV squad represents the DMV area

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys tryout Monday watch as the SJC JV squad represents the DMV area

How many do you suppose will be driving themselves to tryouts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Boys tryout Monday watch as the SJC JV squad represents the DMV area

How many do you suppose will be driving themselves to tryouts?

More to the point...SJC will have at least half the team. No doubt. That coach will stock it.

[Anonymous]

You guys should chat with a club or HS coach who has been an evaluator for UA. The coaches do not pick the team. The evaluators pick the team.