Kid five grade levels ahead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some answers:

Kid was part of a pre school research study, plus school testing since pre k, so lots of tests already.

Yes, the school testing does provide current grade equivalent.

Reading test includes comprehension, vocab etc. It's not just a decoding exercise.

Yes, child is currently doing (simple) algebra and plenty of math beyond my ability to recall.

Doesn't complain about being bored. Reads constantly (and yes, lots of non fiction - will happily read encyclopedias cover to cover). Does math for fun (long multiplication, calculating area, square root etc) without worksheets or homework. Asks lots of questions, sops up info like a sponge. Generally I think is doing just fine and doesn't need any extra support but sometimes I wonder if we should be doing more to challenge our child.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Do you think that your child has the foundation in math to take Algebra 1 in the fall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

Like I said, I haven't kept track. I may have it in a folder somewhere but "cogat" does not ring a bell. It was a speech language pathologist who looked at the test results and told me the IQ equivalent. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't have any advice because you don't believe me? Which is it? My statements aren't credible or that kids like mine are a dime a dozen in the DC area. You can't have it both ways. Yes, kid is very comfortable with geometry, area, square root, complex multiplication, long division, circumference, radius etc. I'm not sure what else, but you can look at a sixth grade math curriculum, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

It's much more common than you might think. Your description of your child at age 7 is almost identical to my own DC and many of his friends. DC, who is in late elementary now, is just a normal kid in a normal school in a normal program (non GT). It's great. I don't have to worry about school because it's not hard and he's never complained of being bored. Never felt any need to "challenge" him much less push him. He's having a wonderful childhood and for that I count my blessings every day. You should, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

Like I said, I haven't kept track. I may have it in a folder somewhere but "cogat" does not ring a bell. It was a speech language pathologist who looked at the test results and told me the IQ equivalent. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't have any advice because you don't believe me? Which is it? My statements aren't credible or that kids like mine are a dime a dozen in the DC area. You can't have it both ways. Yes, kid is very comfortable with geometry, area, square root, complex multiplication, long division, circumference, radius etc. I'm not sure what else, but you can look at a sixth grade math curriculum, I guess.

Do you think that your son has the math background to succeed in pre Algebra or Algebra 1? I'm not being snarky here - that is a serious question. Have the teachers indicated to you that your son is ready for middle school math?

[Anonymous]

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What a bunch of jealous suspicious types on here.

My children are similar to yours and are lucky to be in a gifted program in this area.
Be aware that testing several grades ahead does not necessarily mean that your child could do the whole curriculum for that upper grade. My son was reading at a 12th grade level since mid-elementary, but that did not mean he could have been parachuted in a 12th grade literature class at 9 years old!

OP, do you know whether your child's school could accommodate this by either letting him or her work on his own during class, or sending him (for math) to a different grade?

Alternatively, you can explore private school options which might be more accommodating, through smaller class sizes, or think about homeschooling your child.

The first thing you can do, however, is further investigate your child's abilities by doing a full neuropsychological evaluation.

Good luck - it's tough but exciting to have such a child!

NP here.
I haven't read any overly critical/snarky comments before mine, most were helpful & a few others were more on the inquisitive side of how the OP came to her conclusion about her child's percentile, tiredness, etc.

However, YOUR post says everything about YOU & how YOU perceived them. It's clear that you are hyper sensitive & believe you are being judged by others when it comes to your own brilliant child.

PP you were responding to. I was not the only one to remark on how resistant some first posters were about OP's situation, but i believe I can return the compliment, since you are seem quite aggressive yourself

My son has special needs AND is gifted, which believe me is incredibly more painful and complicated than merely gifted. He has struggled on both sides of the norm. My daughter is very advanced, similar to OP's child, and it's much simpler to deal with only one type of "unusual".

I can safely say I know a lot more about this than you, and can assure you that none of it is easy, especially when people like you come along and think we're just being obnoxiously proud of our "brilliant" children. If only it was just that!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

Like I said, I haven't kept track. I may have it in a folder somewhere but "cogat" does not ring a bell. It was a speech language pathologist who looked at the test results and told me the IQ equivalent. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't have any advice because you don't believe me? Which is it? My statements aren't credible or that kids like mine are a dime a dozen in the DC area. You can't have it both ways. Yes, kid is very comfortable with geometry, area, square root, complex multiplication, long division, circumference, radius etc. I'm not sure what else, but you can look at a sixth grade math curriculum, I guess.

Do you think that your son has the math background to succeed in pre Algebra or Algebra 1? I'm not being snarky here - that is a serious question. Have the teachers indicated to you that your son is ready for middle school math?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

Like I said, I haven't kept track. I may have it in a folder somewhere but "cogat" does not ring a bell. It was a speech language pathologist who looked at the test results and told me the IQ equivalent. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't have any advice because you don't believe me? Which is it? My statements aren't credible or that kids like mine are a dime a dozen in the DC area. You can't have it both ways. Yes, kid is very comfortable with geometry, area, square root, complex multiplication, long division, circumference, radius etc. I'm not sure what else, but you can look at a sixth grade math curriculum, I guess.

Do you think that your son has the math background to succeed in pre Algebra or Algebra 1? I'm not being snarky here - that is a serious question. Have the teachers indicated to you that your son is ready for middle school math?

Yes.

O.k. then if the teachers are saying this maybe you should talk to the principal about your son's unique situation. I say this with the caveat that - your son has very unlikely been given comprehensive instruction in math leading all the way up to 7th grade math. There could very well be significant gaps in his knowledge. Where do you think he learned how to do these problems?

I would say the same thing about reading level. Just because a 7 year old might be able to read A Tale of Two Cities, does not mean that they are ready to analyze Twain. Just because a 7 year old might read everything that they can get their hands on (college texts included) about a subject that fascinates them, does not mean that they are ready to write an in depth research paper.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

It's much more common than you might think. Your description of your child at age 7 is almost identical to my own DC and many of his friends. DC, who is in late elementary now, is just a normal kid in a normal school in a normal program (non GT). It's great. I don't have to worry about school because it's not hard and he's never complained of being bored. Never felt any need to "challenge" him much less push him. He's having a wonderful childhood and for that I count my blessings every day. You should, too.

Your kid and all his friends are above 99th percentile? You understand how percentiles work, don't you? Never ceases to amaze me how DCUM insists that everyone is not only above average, they are all above 99th percentile. That's just not possible people.

[Anonymous]

You say you live in the DC area. But you also say there is no gifted program where you live? Ummm... seems surprising that a DC area school doesn't have any a gifted program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

Like I said, I haven't kept track. I may have it in a folder somewhere but "cogat" does not ring a bell. It was a speech language pathologist who looked at the test results and told me the IQ equivalent. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't have any advice because you don't believe me? Which is it? My statements aren't credible or that kids like mine are a dime a dozen in the DC area. You can't have it both ways. Yes, kid is very comfortable with geometry, area, square root, complex multiplication, long division, circumference, radius etc. I'm not sure what else, but you can look at a sixth grade math curriculum, I guess.

Do you think that your son has the math background to succeed in pre Algebra or Algebra 1? I'm not being snarky here - that is a serious question. Have the teachers indicated to you that your son is ready for middle school math?

Yes.

O.k. then if the teachers are saying this maybe you should talk to the principal about your son's unique situation. I say this with the caveat that - your son has very unlikely been given comprehensive instruction in math leading all the way up to 7th grade math. There could very well be significant gaps in his knowledge. Where do you think he learned how to do these problems?

I would say the same thing about reading level. Just because a 7 year old might be able to read A Tale of Two Cities, does not mean that they are ready to analyze Twain. Just because a 7 year old might read everything that they can get their hands on (college texts included) about a subject that fascinates them, does not mean that they are ready to write an in depth research paper.

meant Dickens (but you know what I mean)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

What was the IQ equivalent test? Lots of posters mistakenly believe it is the cogat. What was it? I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm simply saying I don't know it's credible your child is where he is. I'm guessing he is bright. I'm also guessing you're relying on unreliable data to support your premise for how far ahead he is. Go look at the math a kid that far ahead is doing. Not one problem...but a year's worth. I'm guessing he can do pieces of it. That doesn't mean he's x-years ahead in math. Does he know about probability, geometry, area, circumference, etc? Or can he do SOME simple math problems for higher grades?

Like I said, I haven't kept track. I may have it in a folder somewhere but "cogat" does not ring a bell. It was a speech language pathologist who looked at the test results and told me the IQ equivalent. I'm not really sure what your point is? You don't have any advice because you don't believe me? Which is it? My statements aren't credible or that kids like mine are a dime a dozen in the DC area. You can't have it both ways. Yes, kid is very comfortable with geometry, area, square root, complex multiplication, long division, circumference, radius etc. I'm not sure what else, but you can look at a sixth grade math curriculum, I guess.

Do you think that your son has the math background to succeed in pre Algebra or Algebra 1? I'm not being snarky here - that is a serious question. Have the teachers indicated to you that your son is ready for middle school math?

Yes.

O.k. then if the teachers are saying this maybe you should talk to the principal about your son's unique situation. I say this with the caveat that - your son has very unlikely been given comprehensive instruction in math leading all the way up to 7th grade math. There could very well be significant gaps in his knowledge. Where do you think he learned how to do these problems?

I would say the same thing about reading level. Just because a 7 year old might be able to read A Tale of Two Cities, does not mean that they are ready to analyze Twain. Just because a 7 year old might read everything that they can get their hands on (college texts included) about a subject that fascinates them, does not mean that they are ready to write an in depth research paper.

What is your point? This is a child who has been reading since she turned three. Do you think I don't know the difference between ability to read and ability to discuss at college level? My child has been reading chapter books since three years old and a few months. I've been struggling to find appropriate reading material for a precocious reader since then and to make sure that comprehension keeps up with ability. Kid is reading texts way beyond even the testing levels. Reading books supposedly at 5th grade level in K. But now tested -- including comprehension-- at end sixth/start seventh. Yes, I understand what this means. I understand that kid can discuss these books at great length and with considerable sophistication but is not yet able to convey quite such analysis in writing. I want kid to continue to love reading so I leave it at that. I don't need my child to be a high achiever or to prove something here. I was just hoping to hear from people about whether I'm missing anything here. Whether there is something I should be aware of for older grades. Kid also has a lot of anxiety and perfectionism and whatever happens, I want to minimize that, while keeping her happy and engaged. ( and no we don't praise kid for smarts, only effort).

I don't understand where your line of questioning is going? What is your experience?

[Anonymous]

You don't sound at all like the laid back parent you claim to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm a pretty laid back parent and haven't given the tests that much thought over the years. Kid is clearly doing well. Occasionally I wonder/worry about what happens in later grades, hence my question.

We are in DC area.

As I said I haven't kept track of test results that closely. I can't tell you what different tests, except percentiles have been consistent since child thought themself to read age three. At some point one of the tests offered an IQ equivalent which I recall was in the mid 140s. Don't know how much stock to put in that. Surprised to hear this is commonplace in DC.

Thanks to the pp who mentioned the Neuro psych eval. I'll think about that, but also at this point am not sure further testing is what I want to do. Want kid to just be a kid and not on a path to college by 13 or some whizz kid math nerd.

It's much more common than you might think. Your description of your child at age 7 is almost identical to my own DC and many of his friends. DC, who is in late elementary now, is just a normal kid in a normal school in a normal program (non GT). It's great. I don't have to worry about school because it's not hard and he's never complained of being bored. Never felt any need to "challenge" him much less push him. He's having a wonderful childhood and for that I count my blessings every day. You should, too.

Your kid and all his friends are above 99th percentile? You understand how percentiles work, don't you? Never ceases to amaze me how DCUM insists that everyone is not only above average, they are all above 99th percentile. That's just not possible people.

Um, it is when everyone's parents work at NIH and have phds. You are pretty condescending.

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No one is saying thr whole dc area is all 99th percentile kids but there are schools where there are big clusters.