Kid five grade levels ahead

[Anonymous]

Your original question was to ask for advice and admittedly I have not read through this whole thread- just this page. Map testing does not tell you much as it is all multiple choice. Does your child write at the same level as read? If not (most don't), then that is your focus for language arts. Get her to write, write, write. It doesn't matter what she writes- whether it is a diary, poetry, making books, whatever, but you want to develop that end. That way if she gets bored in school, she can always pull out her writing to work on.

For math, there are so many fantastic programs online to work with. Map testing is very variable for math. I would expect advanced 5th graders to score above 240, so I would not worry about those percentages. Focus on developing her understanding. If you would rather have a book, there is a set of workbooks that I love through Singapore Math as they are really thinking problems (here is the 4th grade book: https://www.amazon.com/Primary-Mathematics-Challenging-Word-Problems/dp/9812855327/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1496591055&sr=1-2). They have them at every level and have the answers in the back that show step by step how to work through each problem, often in multiple ways.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Dear OP, I am so sorry - it's going to be a very tough road ahead. Have there been any signs of boredom/acting out at school? Your kid is probably not learning anything academic there...
I am also curious about the math: Did you provide workbooks? Explain what concepts mean? Or is it entirely self-taught reading math books that you happen to have lying around at home? At any rate, good luck!! This kind of accomplishment is exceptionally rare, and schools are not designed to accommodate it. Can you quit your job and homeschool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm amazed that there such giftedness is so rare and yet despite it being so, nearly all the parents of these gifted kids must be online responding to this post. Wow...lots of parents have kids like this.

That's because this is not rare giftedness... just a bunch of normal, very bright kids being born to normal, very bright parents who moved to the DC area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm amazed that there such giftedness is so rare and yet despite it being so, nearly all the parents of these gifted kids must be online responding to this post. Wow...lots of parents have kids like this.

That's because this is not rare giftedness... just a bunch of normal, very bright kids being born to normal, very bright parents who moved to the DC area.

And because all these kids aren't really like this though their parents think they are.

[Anonymous]

I think the issue is that it is meeting the minimum standards for 5 grades ahead. Which means hitting average for 2 grades ahead and making the top reading group in many DC area schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm amazed that there such giftedness is so rare and yet despite it being so, nearly all the parents of these gifted kids must be online responding to this post. Wow...lots of parents have kids like this.

That's because this is not rare giftedness... just a bunch of normal, very bright kids being born to normal, very bright parents who moved to the DC area.

And that dcum is like lake wobegon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the issue is that it is meeting the minimum standards for 5 grades ahead. Which means hitting average for 2 grades ahead and making the top reading group in many DC area schools.

OP already gave info re 60-70 percentile five grades ahead. That's above average for that grade, not minimum or two ahead. Not common in any dc area school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm amazed that there such giftedness is so rare and yet despite it being so, nearly all the parents of these gifted kids must be online responding to this post. Wow...lots of parents have kids like this.

That's because this is not rare giftedness... just a bunch of normal, very bright kids being born to normal, very bright parents who moved to the DC area.

And that dcum is like lake wobegon

Wish it were Lake Bragbegone

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He'll take AP classes in HS. Until then, school will be easy peasy.

Encourage some extracurricular activity that is challenging. Piano, sports, something. Also focus on friendships and social maturity.

This!!

[Anonymous]

OP, if you're still around (and assuming your assessment of your son is accurate, which I have no reason to believe it's not), get off of DCUM and get yourself to Hoagies gifted website. There is a lot more info there for the profoundly gifted kids. As a PP mentioned, Johns Hopkins CTY will also be a wonderful resource.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My seven year old, who has consistently been above 99th percentile, recently tested at end of sixth grade level for reading and math. Any advice? There is no gifted program where we live.

OP- first, those are great scores. You DC is obviously exceptionally intelligent. The test (I didn't read through the entire thread) is not an "above grade level test." Those kinds of tests are rare and usually administered for a specific reason for special programming. Even highly gifted kids rarely score higher than the 80th percentile on an above grade level test, two years ahead. They just haven't been exposed to enough academic material yet.

You DC likely took an standardized test against national norms. What "end of 6th grade level reading and math" means in that context is that your DC scored as well as a typical end of 6th grade, public school student on the same test. Your DC's results are quite meaningful, but not as meaningful as if your DC had been tested on end of 6th grade material (in which case, an average 6th grader would likely have scored much better than even a highly gifted kindergartner). Elementary school students who score 3-5 years ahead on above grade level tests are typically profoundly gifted.

Again, none of this is to say that those scores aren't rare or great-- but they may not indicate giftedness unless accompanied by some IQ data (132 or higher).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My seven year old, who has consistently been above 99th percentile, recently tested at end of sixth grade level for reading and math. Any advice? There is no gifted program where we live.

OP- first, those are great scores. You DC is obviously exceptionally intelligent. The test (I didn't read through the entire thread) is not an "above grade level test." Those kinds of tests are rare and usually administered for a specific reason for special programming. Even highly gifted kids rarely score higher than the 80th percentile on an above grade level test, two years ahead. They just haven't been exposed to enough academic material yet.

You DC likely took an standardized test against national norms. What "end of 6th grade level reading and math" means in that context is that your DC scored as well as a typical end of 6th grade, public school student on the same test. Your DC's results are quite meaningful, but not as meaningful as if your DC had been tested on end of 6th grade material (in which case, an average 6th grader would likely have scored much better than even a highly gifted kindergartner). Elementary school students who score 3-5 years ahead on above grade level tests are typically profoundly gifted.

Again, none of this is to say that those scores aren't rare or great-- but they may not indicate giftedness unless accompanied by some IQ data (132 or higher).

PP here- I want to edit-- those scores are a good indicator that your child is academically advanced and may be gifted. An IQ test might be in order within the next year or so--my DS showed signs of extreme giftedness and we took him for an IQ test. It helped us plan a for the academic needs of a gifted child vs. an exceptionally capable/bright child who tests well. You are the best judge- signs of giftedness in the early years are feats of abstract reasoning, advanced problem solving, and the ability to apply learning to new situations. You know it when you see it, although there will be plenty of naysayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My seven year old, who has consistently been above 99th percentile, recently tested at end of sixth grade level for reading and math. Any advice? There is no gifted program where we live.

OP- first, those are great scores. You DC is obviously exceptionally intelligent. The test (I didn't read through the entire thread) is not an "above grade level test." Those kinds of tests are rare and usually administered for a specific reason for special programming. Even highly gifted kids rarely score higher than the 80th percentile on an above grade level test, two years ahead. They just haven't been exposed to enough academic material yet.

You DC likely took an standardized test against national norms. What "end of 6th grade level reading and math" means in that context is that your DC scored as well as a typical end of 6th grade, public school student on the same test. Your DC's results are quite meaningful, but not as meaningful as if your DC had been tested on end of 6th grade material (in which case, an average 6th grader would likely have scored much better than even a highly gifted kindergartner). Elementary school students who score 3-5 years ahead on above grade level tests are typically profoundly gifted.

Again, none of this is to say that those scores aren't rare or great-- but they may not indicate giftedness unless accompanied by some IQ data (132 or higher).

PP here- I want to edit-- those scores are a good indicator that your child is academically advanced and may be gifted. An IQ test might be in order within the next year or so--my DS showed signs of extreme giftedness and we took him for an IQ test. It helped us plan a for the academic needs of a gifted child vs. an exceptionally capable/bright child who tests well. You are the best judge- signs of giftedness in the early years are feats of abstract reasoning, advanced problem solving, and the ability to apply learning to new situations. You know it when you see it, although there will be plenty of naysayers.

OP said her child took MAP which is an adaptive test. Different grades take the same test but are expected to score at different levels. So to score in the range for 6th grade math the child needs to be familiar with the material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My seven year old, who has consistently been above 99th percentile, recently tested at end of sixth grade level for reading and math. Any advice? There is no gifted program where we live.

OP- first, those are great scores. You DC is obviously exceptionally intelligent. The test (I didn't read through the entire thread) is not an "above grade level test." Those kinds of tests are rare and usually administered for a specific reason for special programming. Even highly gifted kids rarely score higher than the 80th percentile on an above grade level test, two years ahead. They just haven't been exposed to enough academic material yet.

You DC likely took an standardized test against national norms. What "end of 6th grade level reading and math" means in that context is that your DC scored as well as a typical end of 6th grade, public school student on the same test. Your DC's results are quite meaningful, but not as meaningful as if your DC had been tested on end of 6th grade material (in which case, an average 6th grader would likely have scored much better than even a highly gifted kindergartner). Elementary school students who score 3-5 years ahead on above grade level tests are typically profoundly gifted.

Again, none of this is to say that those scores aren't rare or great-- but they may not indicate giftedness unless accompanied by some IQ data (132 or higher).

PP here- I want to edit-- those scores are a good indicator that your child is academically advanced and may be gifted. An IQ test might be in order within the next year or so--my DS showed signs of extreme giftedness and we took him for an IQ test. It helped us plan a for the academic needs of a gifted child vs. an exceptionally capable/bright child who tests well. You are the best judge- signs of giftedness in the early years are feats of abstract reasoning, advanced problem solving, and the ability to apply learning to new situations. You know it when you see it, although there will be plenty of naysayers.

OP said her child took MAP which is an adaptive test. Different grades take the same test but are expected to score at different levels. So to score in the range for 6th grade math the child needs to be familiar with the material.

PP here- I see. My son doesn't take the MAP. I looked up the scoring and it sounds like the Woodcock Johnson where the questions become progressively more difficult until the student scores below a certain number/percentage. It's not technically an above grade level test (like a 7th grader taking the ACT) but can provide a strong argument for acceleration.

[Anonymous]

PP here- I see. My son doesn't take the MAP. I looked up the scoring and it sounds like the Woodcock Johnson where the questions become progressively more difficult until the student scores below a certain number/percentage. It's not technically an above grade level test (like a 7th grader taking the ACT) but can provide a strong argument for acceleration.

So, my kid DOES take the MAP and is, apparently, 5 grades ahead in math. Except she's not profoundly gifted. She's just your average bright kid with well-educated parents and tons of enrichment. She also benefits from the MAP being adaptive and self-timed, since she is a deliberative thinker. So she literally goes back multiple days in a row to take it because "testing time" is over but she's still going.

This is not a brag. She's not THAT gifted. Which is why I'm seriously side-eyeing OP. It isn't jealousy or pettiness - it is that I know MAP isn't illustrative of much.