Kid five grade levels ahead

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Anonymous wrote:People, the MAP test is adaptive so her child is getting above-grade level content. It's not the same as a child scoring at a "6th grade level" on a fixed 1st grade test.

Now that that's settled what a MAP P score shows is complicated. There are three versions with the MAP-P, the lowest version, only having content going up to a certain grade. The version is used for K-2nd but the content goes slightly higher but not up to 6th.

Teacher here. You are correct that there is a primary version of MAP. Your child is not taking the late elementary or middle grades version. Again, your child scored on the test the same way an 6th grader would, if he were taking the primary version of MAP. I hate when tests give grade level equivalents as this leads to a lot of confusion for parents, and it's not useful information for teachers either. The RIT score itself is much more helpful.

OP is this your child's first time taking MAP? It is important to look at the trend line over time. Often a child will score very high and then receive a lower score the next time, as the questions will start out very difficult due to the prior high score. In my experience the truly gifted children tackle these tough problems and maintain a score in the 99th percentile. These are the children who are in the total replacement math program in my district, and they account for about 5-10% of the class. There are other kids who tend to fluctuate between the 94th and 99th percentile, and those tend to be the classic high achievers or kids who are just doing well in math...bright, not gifted. There are many children like this in my high performing district. There are also kids whose trends are between the 80th and 99th percentiles, and this is pretty rare (maybe 5-10 percent of kids?). From what I have seen kids like this are more likely to hit those high percentiles in the younger grades.

OP, your child is bright. If you want to pursue outside testing, fine. If I were you I would just wait and see what his trend looks like over time. Enrich him at home. Hopefully his teachers are appropriate, engaging math and reading experiences as well.

OP this seems like good information to explain the MAP score- I'm the pp who encouraged you to review the Davidson website and to consider IQ testing of you truly feel your child is unchallenged or are seeing signs of giftedness beyond academic- advanced reasoning, problem solving, and creativity beyond what is expected. The WISC V is what my DS took. It's a good test to measure cognitive abilities and performance- it can provide a lot of valuable information going forward.
These achievement tests are confusing because they can seem to be above grade level tests, or have stifling ceilings for very bright kids (perhaps your DC hit the ceiling?). The only truly above grade level tests are those designed for older kids and taken by younger kids. I mentioned earlier that the ACT is an example- JHU requires the the SCAT for their CTY program. I believe this is an above grade level test.
The Woodcock Johnson and the WIAT is an adaptive test and I don't think there are limits. My son is a bit of a math whiz kid and was tested on some high level material, many years ahead of grade, before he finally topped out in this test. Profoundly gifted programs/schools may use the Woodcock Johnson or WIAT or EXPLORE achievement as one form of admittance eligibility- but they do not use the MAP perhaps because of the ceilings cited by the pp.

Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

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They take the MAP at my child's school. Can anyone familiar with it explain what this means?

"If a 3rd grade student earns a 210 on the Reading MAP assessment, and a 8th grader also earns a 210 on the Reading MAP assessment, these two students are at the same instructional level."

Instructional level?

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Anonymous wrote:Her child is in first grade, isn't he?

I'm guessing 2nd.

[Anonymous]

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Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

This. You are very, very offputting. The thing is, your child is brighter than the rest. 'enuf said.

[Anonymous]

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Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

1. I didn't teach any of these things. Kid taught herself or learned at school. To be honest, I don't even remember most of the math I learned at school, and my brain glazes over when kid shows me some of this stuff. I've supported the reading (also taught herself to read though) by keeping up with books, going to the library etc but done very little (nothing I can recall) to support math.
2. I said I didn't keep track of all the tests (ever). I do however have the details of the results I received recently and recall the conversation with kid's teacher about it.
3. I don't think any parents should be envious. I certainly wouldn't be. It's challenging.
4. I literally couldn't be less of a Tiger Mom. Anyone who knows me would laugh at that suggestion!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

1. I didn't teach any of these things. Kid taught herself or learned at school. To be honest, I don't even remember most of the math I learned at school, and my brain glazes over when kid shows me some of this stuff. I've supported the reading (also taught herself to read though) by keeping up with books, going to the library etc but done very little (nothing I can recall) to support math.
2. I said I didn't keep track of all the tests (ever). I do however have the details of the results I received recently and recall the conversation with kid's teacher about it.
3. I don't think any parents should be envious. I certainly wouldn't be. It's challenging.
4. I literally couldn't be less of a Tiger Mom. Anyone who knows me would laugh at that suggestion!

We are not envious of you. I kind of feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

1. I didn't teach any of these things. Kid taught herself or learned at school. To be honest, I don't even remember most of the math I learned at school, and my brain glazes over when kid shows me some of this stuff. I've supported the reading (also taught herself to read though) by keeping up with books, going to the library etc but done very little (nothing I can recall) to support math.
2. I said I didn't keep track of all the tests (ever). I do however have the details of the results I received recently and recall the conversation with kid's teacher about it.
3. I don't think any parents should be envious. I certainly wouldn't be. It's challenging.
4. I literally couldn't be less of a Tiger Mom. Anyone who knows me would laugh at that suggestion!

We are not envious of you. I kind of feel sorry for you.

Are you this bitchy in real life? OP was responding to PP who said that "a lot of parents must be envious of you".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

1. I didn't teach any of these things. Kid taught herself or learned at school. To be honest, I don't even remember most of the math I learned at school, and my brain glazes over when kid shows me some of this stuff. I've supported the reading (also taught herself to read though) by keeping up with books, going to the library etc but done very little (nothing I can recall) to support math.
2. I said I didn't keep track of all the tests (ever). I do however have the details of the results I received recently and recall the conversation with kid's teacher about it.
3. I don't think any parents should be envious. I certainly wouldn't be. It's challenging.
4. I literally couldn't be less of a Tiger Mom. Anyone who knows me would laugh at that suggestion!

got it. You didn't do anything, but your kid self taught herself 5 grades ahead. what's your worry then? And why is it challenging when you don't need to do anything? Assuming she can finish another 5-grades in next couple of years via self-teaching, maybe she can start college around 10?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

1. I didn't teach any of these things. Kid taught herself or learned at school. To be honest, I don't even remember most of the math I learned at school, and my brain glazes over when kid shows me some of this stuff. I've supported the reading (also taught herself to read though) by keeping up with books, going to the library etc but done very little (nothing I can recall) to support math.
2. I said I didn't keep track of all the tests (ever). I do however have the details of the results I received recently and recall the conversation with kid's teacher about it.
3. I don't think any parents should be envious. I certainly wouldn't be. It's challenging.
4. I literally couldn't be less of a Tiger Mom. Anyone who knows me would laugh at that suggestion!

We are not envious of you. I kind of feel sorry for you.

Er...thank you for your sympathy. I agree that no-one is envious of me. I was responding to PP.

[Anonymous]

The issue is that your posts have some inconsistencies. You are defensive and try to justify your positions. Your kid sounds like she's a well adjusted bright kid. You don't want to hear that but that's the facts. Don't like it, then go elsewhere. Or...Homeschool. Seek other advice. Try and change your attitude. Have her IQ tested. Seek out music lessons for her. Supplement with other work home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

This. You are very, very offputting. The thing is, your child is brighter than the rest. 'enuf said.

And V-E-R-Y front loaded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

OP, I think you need to own your Tiger Mom parenting style. You keep being very defensive saying you're a laid back person but you really aren't if you actually know your child can do this and you've clearly taught your child these things. You claim not to know how she was tested when you clearly do know not only the name of the test but the version. How you are is not a bad thing. A lot of parents must be envious of you and your child. But it really makes me cringe when you come on here and pretend you are this clueless very chill parent. You definitely aren't. You belong at my DC's school where the parents are all very competitive and there are a number of little DCs just like yours.

1. I didn't teach any of these things. Kid taught herself or learned at school. To be honest, I don't even remember most of the math I learned at school, and my brain glazes over when kid shows me some of this stuff. I've supported the reading (also taught herself to read though) by keeping up with books, going to the library etc but done very little (nothing I can recall) to support math.
2. I said I didn't keep track of all the tests (ever). I do however have the details of the results I received recently and recall the conversation with kid's teacher about it.
3. I don't think any parents should be envious. I certainly wouldn't be. It's challenging.
4. I literally couldn't be less of a Tiger Mom. Anyone who knows me would laugh at that suggestion!

The count your lucky stars that your kid is such a highly motivated (and comprehensive!) self teacher and...let her continue to do her thing. Send her to school to learn to follow rules, cooperate with other children and hopefully make some friends.

It doesn't sound as though she is unhappy so be grateful for that.

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My kid took the same test in 2nd, scored higher than yours by quite a bit and is now a 14 yr old rising freshman.

My advice to you is to focus on the other aspects in her life that aren't academic. Find something she doesn't naturally excel in and let her learn to fail and work hard. For my dd that was swim team. So many life lessons learned by doing something that wasn't easy.

Kinder was our hardest year because she was completely bored. Each year has become progressively easier. It will be fine. Don't worry about it so much. I wish I wouldn't have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People, the MAP test is adaptive so her child is getting above-grade level content. It's not the same as a child scoring at a "6th grade level" on a fixed 1st grade test.

Now that that's settled what a MAP P score shows is complicated. There are three versions with the MAP-P, the lowest version, only having content going up to a certain grade. The version is used for K-2nd but the content goes slightly higher but not up to 6th.

Teacher here. You are correct that there is a primary version of MAP. Your child is not taking the late elementary or middle grades version. Again, your child scored on the test the same way an 6th grader would, if he were taking the primary version of MAP. I hate when tests give grade level equivalents as this leads to a lot of confusion for parents, and it's not useful information for teachers either. The RIT score itself is much more helpful.

OP is this your child's first time taking MAP? It is important to look at the trend line over time. Often a child will score very high and then receive a lower score the next time, as the questions will start out very difficult due to the prior high score. In my experience the truly gifted children tackle these tough problems and maintain a score in the 99th percentile. These are the children who are in the total replacement math program in my district, and they account for about 5-10% of the class. There are other kids who tend to fluctuate between the 94th and 99th percentile, and those tend to be the classic high achievers or kids who are just doing well in math...bright, not gifted. There are many children like this in my high performing district. There are also kids whose trends are between the 80th and 99th percentiles, and this is pretty rare (maybe 5-10 percent of kids?). From what I have seen kids like this are more likely to hit those high percentiles in the younger grades.

OP, your child is bright. If you want to pursue outside testing, fine. If I were you I would just wait and see what his trend looks like over time. Enrich him at home. Hopefully his teachers are appropriate, engaging math and reading experiences as well.

OP this seems like good information to explain the MAP score- I'm the pp who encouraged you to review the Davidson website and to consider IQ testing of you truly feel your child is unchallenged or are seeing signs of giftedness beyond academic- advanced reasoning, problem solving, and creativity beyond what is expected. The WISC V is what my DS took. It's a good test to measure cognitive abilities and performance- it can provide a lot of valuable information going forward.
These achievement tests are confusing because they can seem to be above grade level tests, or have stifling ceilings for very bright kids (perhaps your DC hit the ceiling?). The only truly above grade level tests are those designed for older kids and taken by younger kids. I mentioned earlier that the ACT is an example- JHU requires the the SCAT for their CTY program. I believe this is an above grade level test.
The Woodcock Johnson and the WIAT is an adaptive test and I don't think there are limits. My son is a bit of a math whiz kid and was tested on some high level material, many years ahead of grade, before he finally topped out in this test. Profoundly gifted programs/schools may use the Woodcock Johnson or WIAT or EXPLORE achievement as one form of admittance eligibility- but they do not use the MAP perhaps because of the ceilings cited by the pp.

Thanks for all the info. I regret confusing things by even referencing the entire grade level ahead issue. Kid did not take the K-2 test. I think it's 2-7? (Teacher decided to use the higher version - I understand there is overlap). I don't think more tests is the answer right now (unless and until she is unhappy or not learning), but there is some useful insight and suggestions on this thread. It's more a concern for the future, middle school in particular, but perhaps things will even out and she will continue to have excellent teachers. Happy to hear that there are so many other kids who can do long multiplication/division of numbers in the millions +, multiply fractions, calculate area, probability, percentages, square root, add, subtract and multiply negative numbers etc. at age 7. Hopefully she'll meet them one day. Thanks.

pp here- I'm sorry the thread turned negative. One thing that we did around 3rd grade for math was engage a private tutor. The tutor helps DS on other aspects of applied math like showing work, explaining thinking, being methodical-- she also works with him on more advanced math and preparing for math competitions. It's been a godsend.
Language arts may be easier to accelerate within the class- more challenging reading material, for example. A lot of people will accuse you of hothousing your child- my opinion (demonstrated by my son again and again) - children do not learn what they are not ready to learn. It's immaterial whether your child was explicitly taught. People believe what makes them most comfortable- an talented athlete who practices is still a talented athlete- a gifted student who does extra is tiger parented and not "really" gifted.