Can "bad" schools get better?

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I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Who are the new comers?

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^ you've been living in a cave?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Who are the new comers?

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/10/mcps-enrollment-skyrockets-request-millions-to-accommodate-96256.html

one example

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Anonymous wrote:I think in case of RM, some high priced new housing changed the demographic a bitin teh last 10-15 years. I am not sure about Blair. Einstein has really turned around based on the school itself. I was just talking to A DCC parent who said it was her child's first choice..

Einstein is still terrible

What is your first-hand, recent experience with Einstein?

Ignore the Einstein troll. He/she shows up in every thread about DCC schools and trashes Einstein. When asked about personal experience with the school, troll conveniently doesn't reply.

NP here - I think PP is right though. Einstein is not one of the super performing schools in MCPS

Either is RM. QO has better test scores across the board without any IB program, especially with diverse students. So take the 17% of the smartest kids MC and throw their test scores out and RM looks horrible. Adding Fallsgrove doesn't make RM that much better. More than half the kids in the SFH go to private school.

I don't think that's true. I think for the Black/Hispanic students, the test scores between the two schools are pretty comparable, at least as far as the MSA scores are concerned, with RM students scoring slightly better.

And you're right, adding Fallsgrove wouldn't make RM any better because Fallsgrove is not the only high income area zoned for RM.

But you are taking into account the IB program that QO does not have. Over 15% of the population. What do you think the scores would look like without them? I think RM has gotten slightly better since the 70/80's but lets not kid ourselves. You still have the same neighborhoods going to them. Overpopulating with some new home developments doesn't add much. The high SES send their kids to privates and many people move into the new condos/apartments. They are not high SES by any means. Just adds to the overcrowding of the cluster.

From what I understand, something like 95+% of the kids in RM IB are Asian/white. How many kids in the IB program are Black/Hispanic? Probably a tiny % if even that. So, the scores for the Black/Hispanic kids don't include IB kids, maybe less than 5. That wouldn't really impact the % points for that group.

I know some families that live in the higher SES zones for RM, and they send their kids to RM, not private. And QO has plenty of apt/condo complexes zones for it, and more coming probably from the Crown Farm development.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Yes, many schools are over capacity, because enrollment in MCPS is increasing, because the population of Montgomery County is increasing. I'm not sure why this is "the big point", though?

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Yes, many schools are over capacity, because enrollment in MCPS is increasing, because the population of Montgomery County is increasing. I'm not sure why this is "the big point", though?

Overcrowding itself is not a big issue providing 1) state/county has money (and land) to keep building; 2) the performance of MCPS can be maintained; and 3) the burden on tax payers is not increased. As it stands now, the answer to 1) is no; the answer to 2) is "no" and answer to 3) is also "no".

This is why I said earlier the MCPS has turn the corner (not for better).

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Anonymous wrote:People want W schools for a reason, better test scores, more involved parents and stronger PTA and less of a chance your kid will get stabbed in the hallway or have their designer jacket stolen.

... access to lots of designer drugs, nice cars in the parking lot, spoiled kids. Yep, I want to live in the W cluster.

Sounds good to me!

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Yes, many schools are over capacity, because enrollment in MCPS is increasing, because the population of Montgomery County is increasing. I'm not sure why this is "the big point", though?

The other poster is referring to the "Hispanicization" of MCPS, and the ensuing downfall of MCPS because of it. Yep, I made up that word.

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Anonymous wrote:Op - assuming you are defining "good" or "bad" based on academic performance, I think the answer to your question is "not likely." In my view, the MCPS has turned the corner already. Its good days are behind us.

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+1. If you have young children, I'd recommend you look around other school districts.

OP, when the PPs say, "MCPS's good days are behind us," what they mean is: the population of Montgomery County is becoming less white, less affluent, and less native-born.

My kid is in an affluent "W" school and it is not so great either now with 2.0.......it is crowded, there is harly any time for recess and only 1/2 hour per week dedicate4d to the arts-music, art etc....not worth the high cost housing or taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Yes, many schools are over capacity, because enrollment in MCPS is increasing, because the population of Montgomery County is increasing. I'm not sure why this is "the big point", though?

Overcrowding itself is not a big issue providing 1) state/county has money (and land) to keep building; 2) the performance of MCPS can be maintained; and 3) the burden on tax payers is not increased. As it stands now, the answer to 1) is no; the answer to 2) is "no" and answer to 3) is also "no".

This is why I said earlier the MCPS has turn the corner (not for better).

You don't mean "the performance of MCPS can be maintained." You mean "the test scores of MCPS students can be maintained." Given that test scores strongly correlate with SES, it's an open question whether MCPS truly was a better school system in those halcyon, long-past days when everybody was white, middle-class, and suburban, than it is now, when many students aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:Op - assuming you are defining "good" or "bad" based on academic performance, I think the answer to your question is "not likely." In my view, the MCPS has turned the corner already. Its good days are behind us.

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+1. If you have young children, I'd recommend you look around other school districts.

OP, when the PPs say, "MCPS's good days are behind us," what they mean is: the population of Montgomery County is becoming less white, less affluent, and less native-born.

My kid is in an affluent "W" school and it is not so great either now with 2.0.......it is crowded, there is harly any time for recess and only 1/2 hour per week dedicate4d to the arts-music, art etc....not worth the high cost housing or taxes.

Curriculum 2.0 has nothing to do with school capacity, recess, or time for art or music.

Also, my child is in an elementary school that is not in Bethesda or Potomac, and she gets 50 minutes of art a week, plus 50-100 minutes of music.

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Anonymous wrote:Um, Wheaton isn't a W school.

Doesn't it begin with W???

That W stands for something else.......

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Anonymous wrote:I think you guys are missing the big point. The overcrowding issue is here to stay. It's driven by the inflex of new comers to the county. It will continue.

Yes, many schools are over capacity, because enrollment in MCPS is increasing, because the population of Montgomery County is increasing. I'm not sure why this is "the big point", though?

Overcrowding itself is not a big issue providing 1) state/county has money (and land) to keep building; 2) the performance of MCPS can be maintained; and 3) the burden on tax payers is not increased. As it stands now, the answer to 1) is no; the answer to 2) is "no" and answer to 3) is also "no".

This is why I said earlier the MCPS has turn the corner (not for better).

You don't mean "the performance of MCPS can be maintained." You mean "the test scores of MCPS students can be maintained." Given that test scores strongly correlate with SES, it's an open question whether MCPS truly was a better school system in those halcyon, long-past days when everybody was white, middle-class, and suburban, than it is now, when many students aren't.

Open Q for you, not for many.