Hobart and William smith

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not PP, but there are stats all over the place on both sides: http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/15/lowering-legal-drinking-age-opinions-contributors-regulation.html

I'm relying on my own observation and the observation of the university presidents who asked for review of the MDLA.

We get it, you want 18 yr olds to drink legally. But if that's your best article, why are there still NO stats for binge drinking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm truly confused. In the article it said many women choose to have the school investigate their claim rather than law enforcement because the law won't take the claims seriously if drugs or alcohol are involved. Shouldn't it be against the law if the school doesn't report a claim of rape on its campus to the authorities? How can this not be the case? Can anyone explain why this is?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

Why can men binge drink without getting raped but women can't?

There was no proof this girl was raped.

There was extensive physical evidence that she was raped, actually. It was not part of the university hearing, because the university did not actually take any of this seriously. I bet they're probably taking it pretty seriously now.

First PP, you're scum.

I doubt they'll be getting many female applicants, after this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish the schools would get out of the business of trying to adjudicate the sexual conduct of students.

Most do nothing but end up sending out mixed messages: sex is great, drinking is fun, and sex and drinking are fine unless they aren't, and if you ever have any question as to whether things got out of control, don't hesitate to take it up with our Office of Student Shenanigens, and then we'll get to the bottom of it, unless we're incompetent to do so or our panel of nitwits decide it really wasn't a big deal after all.

Better to simply have someone serve in a clearing-house role who can point a student who truly believes she or she has been assaulted to a responsible law enforcement officer who treats an incident that occurred on a college campus no differently than one alleged to have taken place anywhere else.

This.

Schools should not be involved in investigating or adjudicating rape allegations. Schools do not have trained staff. Schools do not have clear systematic and fair rules for adjudication. Schools usually have many conflicts of interests in adjudicating allegations.

All girls (and boys) should receive counseling in Health Ed and from their parents beginning in middle school about the sexual assault laws in their state. This should be repeated every year or two thru high school and college. Students should be explicitly taught about the wide range of sexual behavior from non-consensual grab-ass type assault to rape with a deadly weapon and everything in between that constitutes a criminal act. Girls and boys should also receive training about the idea of "consent" -- that only kids of a certain age can legally consent, that some other classes of people are legally incapable of consenting (e.g. drunk, drugged or mentally incapacitated persons), and that clear consent is a necessary pre-requisite to any kind of sexual activity. Girls and boys should be taught to report all sexual assaults to law enforcement. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

Why can men binge drink without getting raped but women can't?

There was no proof this girl was raped.

There was extensive physical evidence that she was raped, actually. It was not part of the university hearing, because the university did not actually take any of this seriously. I bet they're probably taking it pretty seriously now.

First PP, you're scum.

I doubt they'll be getting many female applicants, after this.

Hobart and William Smith has been a comparatively easy school for rich prep boys and girls from New England and the Mid-Atlantic to get into for some time. That will not change.

It's like saying no high school girls in NYC would ever try to sneak into East Side bars again after the Robert Chambers case.

Sometimes people have to make their own mistakes to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

Why can men binge drink without getting raped but women can't?

There was no proof this girl was raped.

There was extensive physical evidence that she was raped, actually. It was not part of the university hearing, because the university did not actually take any of this seriously. I bet they're probably taking it pretty seriously now.

First PP, you're scum.

I doubt they'll be getting many female applicants, after this.

Hobart and William Smith has been a comparatively easy school for rich prep boys and girls from New England and the Mid-Atlantic to get into for some time. That will not change.

It's like saying no high school girls in NYC would ever try to sneak into East Side bars again after the Robert Chambers case.

Sometimes people have to make their own mistakes to learn.

Seems like one heck of a "mistake" to make!

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

Why can men binge drink without getting raped but women can't?

There was no proof this girl was raped.

There was extensive physical evidence that she was raped, actually. It was not part of the university hearing, because the university did not actually take any of this seriously. I bet they're probably taking it pretty seriously now.

First PP, you're scum.

I doubt they'll be getting many female applicants, after this.

Hobart and William Smith has been a comparatively easy school for rich prep boys and girls from New England and the Mid-Atlantic to get into for some time. That will not change.

It's like saying no high school girls in NYC would ever try to sneak into East Side bars again after the Robert Chambers case.

Sometimes people have to make their own mistakes to learn.

Seems like one heck of a "mistake" to make!

Those rich boys need to get sent to jail to pay for their mistakes.
Will that ever happen?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

First, you say "voluntarily gets drunk." In many of these instances, the men are hiding the amount of alcohol that is in the drinks they are providing young women. Yes, girls are stupid to drink punch without knowing what is in it, but they may quickly become much drunker than they have experienced before, and without realizing it, while the men intend for them to get extremely drunk in order to take advantage of them.

Second, plenty of women regret things they did when they were drunk, but hardly any woman anywhere lodges a formal accusation of rape or sexual assault for that reason. These crimes are underreported, not overreported--your accusation is a red herring, and doesn't negate the fact that lots of women are legitimately assaulted.

Third, I would love to see a link to an example of a woman who charged someone with rape after she gave him a blow job in a situation with no coercion.

Finally, the fact that you (whether you are one person or the same person repeatedly posting) are so determined to not see how these situations could be rape makes me think that you may be a person who has sexually assaulted people in your past. You sound desperate to let the men off the hook here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

First, you say "voluntarily gets drunk." In many of these instances, the men are hiding the amount of alcohol that is in the drinks they are providing young women. Yes, girls are stupid to drink punch without knowing what is in it, but they may quickly become much drunker than they have experienced before, and without realizing it, while the men intend for them to get extremely drunk in order to take advantage of them.

Second, plenty of women regret things they did when they were drunk, but hardly any woman anywhere lodges a formal accusation of rape or sexual assault for that reason. These crimes are underreported, not overreported--your accusation is a red herring, and doesn't negate the fact that lots of women are legitimately assaulted.

Third, I would love to see a link to an example of a woman who charged someone with rape after she gave him a blow job in a situation with no coercion.

Finally, the fact that you (whether you are one person or the same person repeatedly posting) are so determined to not see how these situations could be rape makes me think that you may be a person who has sexually assaulted people in your past. You sound desperate to let the men off the hook here. .

That's exactly the feeling I got as well from the PP (or is it multiple PPs?)'s posts. In addition, the idea that someone who "had been drinking and blowing guys would want to get a pass but have the recipients of her sexual favors be punished" makes no sense. Get a pass from what? No one is walking arond asking for a tally of other people's blow jobs. The act is either consensual, in which case no one wants to punish anyone, or it's coerced, and that's rape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

First, you say "voluntarily gets drunk." In many of these instances, the men are hiding the amount of alcohol that is in the drinks they are providing young women. Yes, girls are stupid to drink punch without knowing what is in it, but they may quickly become much drunker than they have experienced before, and without realizing it, while the men intend for them to get extremely drunk in order to take advantage of them.

Second, plenty of women regret things they did when they were drunk, but hardly any woman anywhere lodges a formal accusation of rape or sexual assault for that reason. These crimes are underreported, not overreported--your accusation is a red herring, and doesn't negate the fact that lots of women are legitimately assaulted.

Third, I would love to see a link to an example of a woman who charged someone with rape after she gave him a blow job in a situation with no coercion.

Finally, the fact that you (whether you are one person or the same person repeatedly posting) are so determined to not see how these situations could be rape makes me think that you may be a person who has sexually assaulted people in your past. You sound desperate to let the men off the hook here.

You should actually visit a police stations sexual crimes unit and ask them how often a woman reports that she was raped and then after doing an investigation it is clear she consented but either forgot or is pissed at the outcome.

You should ask to read the statements from the woman and the witnesses... it will baffle your mind... you NEED to do this so you can speak with an educated voice.

I am not the person from above but I am desperate for women to stop falsely reporting sex crimes so the real crimes can be taken seriously and convicted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

First, you say "voluntarily gets drunk." In many of these instances, the men are hiding the amount of alcohol that is in the drinks they are providing young women. Yes, girls are stupid to drink punch without knowing what is in it, but they may quickly become much drunker than they have experienced before, and without realizing it, while the men intend for them to get extremely drunk in order to take advantage of them.

Second, plenty of women regret things they did when they were drunk, but hardly any woman anywhere lodges a formal accusation of rape or sexual assault for that reason. These crimes are underreported, not overreported--your accusation is a red herring, and doesn't negate the fact that lots of women are legitimately assaulted.

Third, I would love to see a link to an example of a woman who charged someone with rape after she gave him a blow job in a situation with no coercion.

Finally, the fact that you (whether you are one person or the same person repeatedly posting) are so determined to not see how these situations could be rape makes me think that you may be a person who has sexually assaulted people in your past. You sound desperate to let the men off the hook here.

You should actually visit a police stations sexual crimes unit and ask them how often a woman reports that she was raped and then after doing an investigation it is clear she consented but either forgot or is pissed at the outcome.

You should ask to read the statements from the woman and the witnesses... it will baffle your mind... you NEED to do this so you can speak with an educated voice.

I am not the person from above but I am desperate for women to stop falsely reporting sex crimes so the real crimes can be taken seriously and convicted.

Bullshit. The consensus is that it is 2-8%, which is hardly overwhelming the police.