Hobart and William smith

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

So, if someone comes up to you and says "I was robbed last night," your response is going to be "are you sure you didn't get drunk and give your cash to a homeless person?"

If my friend who drinks until he is 2 times the legal limit says he was robbed last night, I would tell him to check his pants pockets for the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an area where parents of girls need to have heightened concern - and don't judge me as sexist, but this is reality. Girls face a danger that boys just don't face.

I sure wouldn't want my son to choose one of the big Greek life schools, but I would absolutely prohibit my daughter from doing so.

Even if you aren't Catholic, many Catholic schools have no Greek life and offer a comparatively safe environment for your DD. Additionally, some schools are ahead of the curve are have eliminated Greek life altogether.

http://www.newsweek.com/inside-colleges-killed-frats-good-231346

I'm pretty sure that none of the parents of young men accused/found guilty of rape sent their sons to college thinking: "great, this is a place where he can really hone his skills as a sexual predator!" For all those young women who were raped, there was a young man who raped. Talk to your sons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You're implying that a young woman consented to being anally penetrated in public by multiple men, because she "felt bad for them" while she was drunk?

You really think a woman would CONSENT to that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You're implying that a young woman consented to being anally penetrated in public by multiple men, because she "felt bad for them" while she was drunk?

You really think a woman would CONSENT to that?

No. I am not. I believe this girls was raped. But many girls binge drink with red bull and there is no indication to onlookers that she will not remember consenting in the morning.

Also... You may want to visit the explicit forum... Many people like to have Sex in public. Many women will bend over a table to have sex (and p.s. That does not mean it is a-sex, it could be v-sex).

Also, women consent to multiple sex partners all the time.

So... I do not think THIS woman consented to this sex act (as evidenced by the blunt force trama) but I do believe there are girls who do consent to this.

H&W tainted the evidence so badly there will never be a conviction.

Only police trained to investigate sex assaults should be involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You're implying that a young woman consented to being anally penetrated in public by multiple men, because she "felt bad for them" while she was drunk?

You really think a woman would CONSENT to that?

No. I am not. I believe this girls was raped. But many girls binge drink with red bull and there is no indication to onlookers that she will not remember consenting in the morning.

Also... You may want to visit the explicit forum... Many people like to have Sex in public. Many women will bend over a table to have sex (and p.s. That does not mean it is a-sex, it could be v-sex).

Also, women consent to multiple sex partners all the time.

So... I do not think THIS woman consented to this sex act (as evidenced by the blunt force trama) but I do believe there are girls who do consent to this.

H&W tainted the evidence so badly there will never be a conviction.

Only police trained to investigate sex assaults should be involved.

The DCUM explicit forum is hardly a representative sample of what women do "all the time."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You're implying that a young woman consented to being anally penetrated in public by multiple men, because she "felt bad for them" while she was drunk?

You really think a woman would CONSENT to that?

Some would, and have, and then regret and choose to recharacterize their foolish behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You're implying that a young woman consented to being anally penetrated in public by multiple men, because she "felt bad for them" while she was drunk?

You really think a woman would CONSENT to that?

No. I am not. I believe this girls was raped. But many girls binge drink with red bull and there is no indication to onlookers that she will not remember consenting in the morning.

Also... You may want to visit the explicit forum... Many people like to have Sex in public. Many women will bend over a table to have sex (and p.s. That does not mean it is a-sex, it could be v-sex).

Also, women consent to multiple sex partners all the time.

So... I do not think THIS woman consented to this sex act (as evidenced by the blunt force trama) but I do believe there are girls who do consent to this.

H&W tainted the evidence so badly there will never be a conviction.

Only police trained to investigate sex assaults should be involved.

The DCUM explicit forum is hardly a representative sample of what women do "all the time."

Sorry to be the one to turn on the lights... but teen girls have sex with multiple partners .... all.the.time. Every weekend... in this DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an area where parents of girls need to have heightened concern - and don't judge me as sexist, but this is reality. Girls face a danger that boys just don't face.

I sure wouldn't want my son to choose one of the big Greek life schools, but I would absolutely prohibit my daughter from doing so.

Even if you aren't Catholic, many Catholic schools have no Greek life and offer a comparatively safe environment for your DD. Additionally, some schools are ahead of the curve are have eliminated Greek life altogether.

http://www.newsweek.com/inside-colleges-killed-frats-good-231346

I'm pretty sure that none of the parents of young men accused/found guilty of rape sent their sons to college thinking: "great, this is a place where he can really hone his skills as a sexual predator!" For all those young women who were raped, there was a young man who raped. Talk to your sons.

Thanks, but talking to my son doesn't in any way protect my daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've never heard of it. Where is it?

+1 perhaps the most obscure school discussed in this forum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You're implying that a young woman consented to being anally penetrated in public by multiple men, because she "felt bad for them" while she was drunk?

You really think a woman would CONSENT to that?

Some would, and have, and then regret and choose to recharacterize their foolish behavior.

So, do you tell your kids, their drinking is ok?

[Anonymous]

I wish the schools would get out of the business of trying to adjudicate the sexual conduct of students.

Most do nothing but end up sending out mixed messages: sex is great, drinking is fun, and sex and drinking are fine unless they aren't, and if you ever have any question as to whether things got out of control, don't hesitate to take it up with our Office of Student Shenanigens, and then we'll get to the bottom of it, unless we're incompetent to do so or our panel of nitwits decide it really wasn't a big deal after all.

Better to simply have someone serve in a clearing-house role who can point a student who truly believes she or she has been assaulted to a responsible law enforcement officer who treats an incident that occurred on a college campus no differently than one alleged to have taken place anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is an area where parents of girls need to have heightened concern - and don't judge me as sexist, but this is reality. Girls face a danger that boys just don't face.

I sure wouldn't want my son to choose one of the big Greek life schools, but I would absolutely prohibit my daughter from doing so.

Even if you aren't Catholic, many Catholic schools have no Greek life and offer a comparatively safe environment for your DD. Additionally, some schools are ahead of the curve are have eliminated Greek life altogether.

http://www.newsweek.com/inside-colleges-killed-frats-good-231346

I'm pretty sure that none of the parents of young men accused/found guilty of rape sent their sons to college thinking: "great, this is a place where he can really hone his skills as a sexual predator!" For all those young women who were raped, there was a young man who raped. Talk to your sons.

Thanks, but talking to my son doesn't in any way protect my daughter.

And, and you have no interest in protecting all the other daughters out there?

[Anonymous]

The gist of recent threads here on DCUM is that any parental involvement in academic of your college-age child is strictly verboten “they are adults for Pete’s sake!” Yet, when it comes to consuming alcohol, we should have our college age kids under an iron thumb – not even acknowledge the reality that many of them will drink. The hypocrisy is endless. I think BOTH issues require SOME parental involvement and counseling. Unfortunately the alcohol issue has become more complicated due to the archaic drinking age law (The US is one of only four developed countries in the world that has a nationwide drinking age of over 18, with the other three being South Korea (19), Iceland (20), and Japan (20)) I came of age when the drinking age was still 18 and attended a big party school, but even there we did not have the type of routine binge drinking that goes on at MANY college campuses today. The rise in assaults of intoxicated female college students is directly related to the rise in binge drinking that followed the change in the legal drinking age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The gist of recent threads here on DCUM is that any parental involvement in academic of your college-age child is strictly verboten “they are adults for Pete’s sake!” Yet, when it comes to consuming alcohol, we should have our college age kids under an iron thumb – not even acknowledge the reality that many of them will drink. The hypocrisy is endless. I think BOTH issues require SOME parental involvement and counseling. Unfortunately the alcohol issue has become more complicated due to the archaic drinking age law (The US is one of only four developed countries in the world that has a nationwide drinking age of over 18, with the other three being South Korea (19), Iceland (20), and Japan (20)) I came of age when the drinking age was still 18 and attended a big party school, but even there we did not have the type of routine binge drinking that goes on at MANY college campuses today. The rise in assaults of intoxicated female college students is directly related to the rise in binge drinking that followed the change in the legal drinking age.

Where are your stats for binge drinking?

[Anonymous]

Not PP, but there are stats all over the place on both sides: http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/15/lowering-legal-drinking-age-opinions-contributors-regulation.html

I'm relying on my own observation and the observation of the university presidents who asked for review of the MDLA.