Hobart and William smith

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Question for the poster(s) who think there are so many false rape charges.

Have y'all ever actually spoken to a rape victim about her experience?

Seems to me like the bigger problem is getting rape victims to report the crime at all, but yet this "so many false accusations!" card gets drawn every time this subject comes up. Usually goes like this: "Well, in (this obvious rape), I believe her, but so many other times women just regret being slutty!"

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I don't think kids who are drinking in high school, should be funded to go drink in college.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an area where parents of girls need to have heightened concern - and don't judge me as sexist, but this is reality. Girls face a danger that boys just don't face.

I sure wouldn't want my son to choose one of the big Greek life schools, but I would absolutely prohibit my daughter from doing so.

Even if you aren't Catholic, many Catholic schools have no Greek life and offer a comparatively safe environment for your DD. Additionally, some schools are ahead of the curve are have eliminated Greek life altogether.

http://www.newsweek.com/inside-colleges-killed-frats-good-231346

I'm pretty sure that none of the parents of young men accused/found guilty of rape sent their sons to college thinking: "great, this is a place where he can really hone his skills as a sexual predator!" For all those young women who were raped, there was a young man who raped. Talk to your sons.

Thanks, but talking to my son doesn't in any way protect my daughter.

And, and you have no interest in protecting all the other daughters out there?

There has never been a place or time where rape did not exist. While today's feminists are focused on pipe dreams and kumbaya, this old feminist will continue to encourage her daughter to take steps to protect herself. I do not believe that she should not depend on other people to keep her safe. I certainly am not going to just hope that other people are "talking" to their sons.

Some people appear to be living in fantasy land. There will always be people who prey on others, no matter how many march to take back the night.

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Anonymous wrote:This is an area where parents of girls need to have heightened concern - and don't judge me as sexist, but this is reality. Girls face a danger that boys just don't face.

I sure wouldn't want my son to choose one of the big Greek life schools, but I would absolutely prohibit my daughter from doing so.

Even if you aren't Catholic, many Catholic schools have no Greek life and offer a comparatively safe environment for your DD. Additionally, some schools are ahead of the curve are have eliminated Greek life altogether.

http://www.newsweek.com/inside-colleges-killed-frats-good-231346

I'm pretty sure that none of the parents of young men accused/found guilty of rape sent their sons to college thinking: "great, this is a place where he can really hone his skills as a sexual predator!" For all those young women who were raped, there was a young man who raped. Talk to your sons.

Thanks, but talking to my son doesn't in any way protect my daughter.

And, and you have no interest in protecting all the other daughters out there?

There has never been a place or time where rape did not exist. While today's feminists are focused on pipe dreams and kumbaya, this old feminist will continue to encourage her daughter to take steps to protect herself. I do not believe that she should not depend on other people to keep her safe. I certainly am not going to just hope that other people are "talking" to their sons.

Some people appear to be living in fantasy land. There will always be people who prey on others, no matter how many march to take back the night.

What are you advising your daughter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question for the poster(s) who think there are so many false rape charges.

Have y'all ever actually spoken to a rape victim about her experience?

Seems to me like the bigger problem is getting rape victims to report the crime at all, but yet this "so many false accusations!" card gets drawn every time this subject comes up. Usually goes like this: "Well, in (this obvious rape), I believe her, but so many other times women just regret being slutty!"

1. They are not false rape charges... nobody is ever charged. Once she hears the real story from people that were sober, it is obvious that there was no rape.

2. Yes, of course I have spoken to rape victims. There are real rapes and then false accusations.

3. Rape victims are not educated on how to report a rape... for example in the Hobart and Williams Smith case.... NEVER REPORT A RAPE TO ANYBODY BUT A POLICE OFFICER. Do NOT let the school handle it. Do not tell anybody. Let the nurse do the rape kit... I know it is awful and invasive. Do NOT take a shower. Do not contract the rapist.

So many things happen after the rape but before it is reported that taint the evidence and rapes can not be convicted. The cops try really hard to get some sort of conviction ... contributing to the delinquency of a minor, assault, etc.

Rapes are very hard to convict especially when you know the person, have had sex with them in the past, get drunk with them, take your own clothes off and then decide you don't want to have sex. That is very, very hard to convict so you need to make sure you don't mess up the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

First, you say "voluntarily gets drunk." In many of these instances, the men are hiding the amount of alcohol that is in the drinks they are providing young women. Yes, girls are stupid to drink punch without knowing what is in it, but they may quickly become much drunker than they have experienced before, and without realizing it, while the men intend for them to get extremely drunk in order to take advantage of them.

Second, plenty of women regret things they did when they were drunk, but hardly any woman anywhere lodges a formal accusation of rape or sexual assault for that reason. These crimes are underreported, not overreported--your accusation is a red herring, and doesn't negate the fact that lots of women are legitimately assaulted.

Third, I would love to see a link to an example of a woman who charged someone with rape after she gave him a blow job in a situation with no coercion.

Finally, the fact that you (whether you are one person or the same person repeatedly posting) are so determined to not see how these situations could be rape makes me think that you may be a person who has sexually assaulted people in your past. You sound desperate to let the men off the hook here.

You should actually visit a police stations sexual crimes unit and ask them how often a woman reports that she was raped and then after doing an investigation it is clear she consented but either forgot or is pissed at the outcome.

You should ask to read the statements from the woman and the witnesses... it will baffle your mind... you NEED to do this so you can speak with an educated voice.

I am not the person from above but I am desperate for women to stop falsely reporting sex crimes so the real crimes can be taken seriously and convicted.

Bullshit. The consensus is that it is 2-8%, which is hardly overwhelming the police.

2-8% .... where is that from?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

Obviously that raises questions about the level of intoxication required to preclude consent, the difficulties inherent in establishing when that level of intoxication was reached, and the possibility that intent was lacking if the alleged perpetrator was also intoxicated.

If a young adult who voluntarily gets drunk and ends up blowing guys who themsevles have also been drinking wants a pass, but expects the recipients of her sexual favors to be punished, she had better find a damn good prosecutor.

First, you say "voluntarily gets drunk." In many of these instances, the men are hiding the amount of alcohol that is in the drinks they are providing young women. Yes, girls are stupid to drink punch without knowing what is in it, but they may quickly become much drunker than they have experienced before, and without realizing it, while the men intend for them to get extremely drunk in order to take advantage of them.

Second, plenty of women regret things they did when they were drunk, but hardly any woman anywhere lodges a formal accusation of rape or sexual assault for that reason. These crimes are underreported, not overreported--your accusation is a red herring, and doesn't negate the fact that lots of women are legitimately assaulted.

Third, I would love to see a link to an example of a woman who charged someone with rape after she gave him a blow job in a situation with no coercion.

Finally, the fact that you (whether you are one person or the same person repeatedly posting) are so determined to not see how these situations could be rape makes me think that you may be a person who has sexually assaulted people in your past. You sound desperate to let the men off the hook here.

You should actually visit a police stations sexual crimes unit and ask them how often a woman reports that she was raped and then after doing an investigation it is clear she consented but either forgot or is pissed at the outcome.

You should ask to read the statements from the woman and the witnesses... it will baffle your mind... you NEED to do this so you can speak with an educated voice.

I am not the person from above but I am desperate for women to stop falsely reporting sex crimes so the real crimes can be taken seriously and convicted.

Bullshit. The consensus is that it is 2-8%, which is hardly overwhelming the police.

2-8% .... where is that from?

Um, do you not have the google?

Wikipedia lists many studies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

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2-8% .... where is that from?



Um, do you not have the google?

Wikipedia lists many studies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

This does not count "no crime" and "unfounded" ... that is when the girl tells the story and the cop tell them there is "no crime" ... so it is not counted in the statistics.

The Duke case is the type of "false accusation" case in that statistic. I find 2-8% high that boys are take to trial their name is plaster all through the media and in the end ... the accusation was false.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I've always thought that if you have to be intoxicated to have sex, the choices available to you must be limited enough that you're better off not seeing or feeling anything clearly, and probably better off not remembering any of it either.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I've always thought that if you have to be intoxicated to have sex, the choices available to you must be limited enough that you're better off not seeing or feeling anything clearly, and probably better off not remembering any of it either.

It's not required just one of many options.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I don't think you know the law quite well. It’s a crime to have sex with someone who’s too drunk or high to consent, even if the person doesn’t resist or fails to say “no.” A simple Google search is all it takes to refute your claim. Also, it is one thing to drink to the point of passing out - clearly not a good idea - as one may become the victim of a violent crime. It's another to commit that violent crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I don't think you know the law quite well. It’s a crime to have sex with someone who’s too drunk or high to consent, even if the person doesn’t resist or fails to say “no.” A simple Google search is all it takes to refute your claim. Also, it is one thing to drink to the point of passing out - clearly not a good idea - as one may become the victim of a violent crime. It's another to commit that violent crime.

But there is no way to prove that somebody was too drunk to consent. There is not physical evidence. You need video or a confession. You don't know what goes on in the real binge drinking world.

These girls are not drugged or fed alcohol. You only understand an imaginary ... best case scenario stand point but you have no clue about investigation, evidence, chain of custody, building a case and convicting.

Also, you have a hard time understanding that sometime women are not innocent victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I don't think you know the law quite well. It’s a crime to have sex with someone who’s too drunk or high to consent, even if the person doesn’t resist or fails to say “no.” A simple Google search is all it takes to refute your claim. Also, it is one thing to drink to the point of passing out - clearly not a good idea - as one may become the victim of a violent crime. It's another to commit that violent crime.

But there is no way to prove that somebody was too drunk to consent. There is not physical evidence. You need video or a confession. You don't know what goes on in the real binge drinking world.

These girls are not drugged or fed alcohol. You only understand an imaginary ... best case scenario stand point but you have no clue about investigation, evidence, chain of custody, building a case and convicting.

Also, you have a hard time understanding that sometime women are not innocent victims.

No, I just think the consequences of false negatives are more common and more harmful than the consequences of false positives.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I don't think you know the law quite well. It’s a crime to have sex with someone who’s too drunk or high to consent, even if the person doesn’t resist or fails to say “no.” A simple Google search is all it takes to refute your claim. Also, it is one thing to drink to the point of passing out - clearly not a good idea - as one may become the victim of a violent crime. It's another to commit that violent crime.

But there is no way to prove that somebody was too drunk to consent. There is not physical evidence. You need video or a confession. You don't know what goes on in the real binge drinking world.

These girls are not drugged or fed alcohol. You only understand an imaginary ... best case scenario stand point but you have no clue about investigation, evidence, chain of custody, building a case and convicting.

Also, you have a hard time understanding that sometime women are not innocent victims.

Get a summer job. It's a much better use of your time then spending your hours on a DCUM or watching Law and Order. Or you could take a writing course to make your posts sound a little bit less like the 16 year-old you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do these girls engage in binge drinking, put themselves in compromising positions and then express outrage over a college adjuducation when they themselves don't even recall what they may have done while inebriated?

If you walk around wearing expensive jewelry in a high crime area, and someone steps up to you, knocks you over the head and robs you, you are indeed stupid, and you probably won't recall what happened to you. It doesn't make the robbery any less of a crime.

If you are drunk and give the expensive jewelry to a homeless person because you feel bad for him in your drunk state and the next morning you don't remember it ... that does not mean the homeless person stole from you.

You clearly don't know the law vis a vis rape. The law requires consent and consent cannot be given in an intoxicated state. I really hope you are 14 or 15 years old. That way your ignorance would at least be understandable. Men are going to have to figure out some way to control their violent tendencies while drunk. If they can't, maybe a law should be passed requiring them to take impotence-inducing drugs. Predators shouldn't be given passes to continue terrorizing others. The possibility of this consequence to misbehavior might just reveal that men have more control then they think or let on.

I actually do know the law quite well. You can give consent if you are intoxicated... I do it all the time... I plan to do it tonight.

There is a whole world between legally intoxicated and passed out cold.

Having sex while drunk is not against the law. Many girls do consent when drunk and forget they consented and "take it back".

The real possibility (not in the Hobart case but many others) is that women have more control than they think or let on. Just because you regret it does not mean it was not consensual. You can't say women cant consent when drunk but men can.

I don't think you know the law quite well. It’s a crime to have sex with someone who’s too drunk or high to consent, even if the person doesn’t resist or fails to say “no.” A simple Google search is all it takes to refute your claim. Also, it is one thing to drink to the point of passing out - clearly not a good idea - as one may become the victim of a violent crime. It's another to commit that violent crime.

But there is no way to prove that somebody was too drunk to consent. There is not physical evidence. You need video or a confession. You don't know what goes on in the real binge drinking world.

These girls are not drugged or fed alcohol. You only understand an imaginary ... best case scenario stand point but you have no clue about investigation, evidence, chain of custody, building a case and convicting.

Also, you have a hard time understanding that sometime women are not innocent victims.

Get a summer job. It's a much better use of your time then spending your hours on a DCUM or watching Law and Order. Or you could take a writing course to make your posts sound a little bit less like the 16 year-old you are.

Ad hominem!!! I am sorry the truth hurts your feelings. BTW the Wire is much better than Law and Order, though I have never seen a L&O all the way through.