when there's a super hot young lady in your office

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

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I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

100%

I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

No one here said women have to "endure gross catcalling" in a DC office, though. We're talking about middle aged men who think it is acceptable to ogle and make creepy comments to the young women. If you are also a man, I doubt you would have noticed this happening; behavior men seem to think is subtle is actually quite obvious to women, which is the problem here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this gross? Isn’t that why women dress like that? Want guys to look?

No. They don't want gross old men their dad's age to look, actually. Nothing is more disgusting than noticing that stupid-eyed look from an old man who thinks he is being subtle as he sneaks glances at your body.

Women want the men they are interested in to look. In most cases, this is moderately attractive men around their own age. It is rarely the gross old man in the office who posts online about what to do when "there's a super hot young lady" around.

LOL. Mids 40s guy is "gross old man"

Found the angry ugly lady!

To people in their 20s, yes, mid-40s people are gross and old. My mid-40s H is hot AF to me but at 23 I would have found his dad bod and wrinkles pretty gross.

That is just demonstrably false. Literally half of my wife's friends at the age of 28 were sleeping with guys 40-45.

Was your wife a sugarbaby?

NONE of my friends at age 28 were dating, sleeping with, or interested in guys in their 40s. These were beautiful, professional young women with Harvard degrees; all are happily married to men within a few years of their age now. I don't know what kind of crowd your wife ran with in those days, but it certainly isn't normal for a group of late 20s women to all be sleeping with men in their 40s in the circles I know.

Nope. She was a PHD student at Georgetown and most of her friends were llm students or recent grads. All of them married by 31, many to the older men. Are you really claiming that a 10 year gap between husbands and wives is unheard of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this gross? Isn’t that why women dress like that? Want guys to look?

No. They don't want gross old men their dad's age to look, actually. Nothing is more disgusting than noticing that stupid-eyed look from an old man who thinks he is being subtle as he sneaks glances at your body.

Women want the men they are interested in to look. In most cases, this is moderately attractive men around their own age. It is rarely the gross old man in the office who posts online about what to do when "there's a super hot young lady" around.

LOL. Mids 40s guy is "gross old man"

Found the angry ugly lady!

To people in their 20s, yes, mid-40s people are gross and old. My mid-40s H is hot AF to me but at 23 I would have found his dad bod and wrinkles pretty gross.

That is just demonstrably false. Literally half of my wife's friends at the age of 28 were sleeping with guys 40-45.

I had some older dudes in my 20’s but I met them in bars. That’s not a license to be gross at work. Young men shouldn’t be gross at work either. Nor should women! Women can be guilty of this too especially to younger men who might be vulnerable from the power imbalance. It’s inappropriate and it doesn’t matter who is attractive or dressed however.

[Anonymous]

stay away don't even look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

100%

I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

No one here said women have to "endure gross catcalling" in a DC office, though. We're talking about middle aged men who think it is acceptable to ogle and make creepy comments to the young women. If you are also a man, I doubt you would have noticed this happening; behavior men seem to think is subtle is actually quite obvious to women, which is the problem here.

Good. So we are in agreement. It doesn't happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this gross? Isn’t that why women dress like that? Want guys to look?

No. They don't want gross old men their dad's age to look, actually. Nothing is more disgusting than noticing that stupid-eyed look from an old man who thinks he is being subtle as he sneaks glances at your body.

Women want the men they are interested in to look. In most cases, this is moderately attractive men around their own age. It is rarely the gross old man in the office who posts online about what to do when "there's a super hot young lady" around.

LOL. Mids 40s guy is "gross old man"

Found the angry ugly lady!

To people in their 20s, yes, mid-40s people are gross and old. My mid-40s H is hot AF to me but at 23 I would have found his dad bod and wrinkles pretty gross.

That is just demonstrably false. Literally half of my wife's friends at the age of 28 were sleeping with guys 40-45.

Was your wife a sugarbaby?

NONE of my friends at age 28 were dating, sleeping with, or interested in guys in their 40s. These were beautiful, professional young women with Harvard degrees; all are happily married to men within a few years of their age now. I don't know what kind of crowd your wife ran with in those days, but it certainly isn't normal for a group of late 20s women to all be sleeping with men in their 40s in the circles I know.

Nope. She was a PHD student at Georgetown and most of her friends were llm students or recent grads. All of them married by 31, many to the older men. Are you really claiming that a 10 year gap between husbands and wives is unheard of?

That’s fine but you need to find those relationships outside the office.

[Anonymous]

Don't be the office creeper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this gross? Isn’t that why women dress like that? Want guys to look?

No. They don't want gross old men their dad's age to look, actually. Nothing is more disgusting than noticing that stupid-eyed look from an old man who thinks he is being subtle as he sneaks glances at your body.

Women want the men they are interested in to look. In most cases, this is moderately attractive men around their own age. It is rarely the gross old man in the office who posts online about what to do when "there's a super hot young lady" around.

LOL. Mids 40s guy is "gross old man"

Found the angry ugly lady!

To people in their 20s, yes, mid-40s people are gross and old. My mid-40s H is hot AF to me but at 23 I would have found his dad bod and wrinkles pretty gross.

That is just demonstrably false. Literally half of my wife's friends at the age of 28 were sleeping with guys 40-45.

I had some older dudes in my 20’s but I met them in bars. That’s not a license to be gross at work. Young men shouldn’t be gross at work either. Nor should women! Women can be guilty of this too especially to younger men who might be vulnerable from the power imbalance. It’s inappropriate and it doesn’t matter who is attractive or dressed however.

See, I don't get this. When I see a young man at work who could be near my son's age, I actually feel maternal toward him. My own boy is 24 now, but still my "little boy", and I see men his age in the same light. I truly cannot imagine looking at my young male colleague, who reminds me so much of my son, in a sexual way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

100%

I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

No one here said women have to "endure gross catcalling" in a DC office, though. We're talking about middle aged men who think it is acceptable to ogle and make creepy comments to the young women. If you are also a man, I doubt you would have noticed this happening; behavior men seem to think is subtle is actually quite obvious to women, which is the problem here.

Good. So we are in agreement. It doesn't happen.

What's your point? The thread is about middle aged men ogling young women in the office. No one said anything about cat calling because that isn't what this thread is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is this gross? Isn’t that why women dress like that? Want guys to look?

No. They don't want gross old men their dad's age to look, actually. Nothing is more disgusting than noticing that stupid-eyed look from an old man who thinks he is being subtle as he sneaks glances at your body.

Women want the men they are interested in to look. In most cases, this is moderately attractive men around their own age. It is rarely the gross old man in the office who posts online about what to do when "there's a super hot young lady" around.

LOL. Mids 40s guy is "gross old man"

Found the angry ugly lady!

To people in their 20s, yes, mid-40s people are gross and old. My mid-40s H is hot AF to me but at 23 I would have found his dad bod and wrinkles pretty gross.

That is just demonstrably false. Literally half of my wife's friends at the age of 28 were sleeping with guys 40-45.

Was your wife a sugarbaby?

NONE of my friends at age 28 were dating, sleeping with, or interested in guys in their 40s. These were beautiful, professional young women with Harvard degrees; all are happily married to men within a few years of their age now. I don't know what kind of crowd your wife ran with in those days, but it certainly isn't normal for a group of late 20s women to all be sleeping with men in their 40s in the circles I know.

Nope. She was a PHD student at Georgetown and most of her friends were llm students or recent grads. All of them married by 31, many to the older men. Are you really claiming that a 10 year gap between husbands and wives is unheard of?

Try to keep up with what the thread is actually about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

100%

I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

No one here said women have to "endure gross catcalling" in a DC office, though. We're talking about middle aged men who think it is acceptable to ogle and make creepy comments to the young women. If you are also a man, I doubt you would have noticed this happening; behavior men seem to think is subtle is actually quite obvious to women, which is the problem here.

Good. So we are in agreement. It doesn't happen.

What's your point? The thread is about middle aged men ogling young women in the office. No one said anything about cat calling because that isn't what this thread is about.

This might confuse you but conversations evolve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

100%

I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

No one here said women have to "endure gross catcalling" in a DC office, though. We're talking about middle aged men who think it is acceptable to ogle and make creepy comments to the young women. If you are also a man, I doubt you would have noticed this happening; behavior men seem to think is subtle is actually quite obvious to women, which is the problem here.

Good. So we are in agreement. It doesn't happen.

What's your point? The thread is about middle aged men ogling young women in the office. No one said anything about cat calling because that isn't what this thread is about.

This might confuse you but conversations evolve.

No, what confuses me is your random comment: "I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS.'"

You "call BS" on a topic that was not part of the original conversation at all. You can't "call BS" on something that no one else in the thread was talking about at all. This is not how "conversations evolve."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She knows you’re ogling and she thinks you’re disgusting.

She knows he’s oogling and likes it. Otherwise, why dress for attention if you don’t want and enjoy the attention?

1. She's probably not wearing a glitter halter top and mini skirt, though. She's wearing office appropriate attire that is flattering and looks good on her because she's young and has a good body. There's a difference. She shouldn't have to wear a burqa to hide her attractiveness. She should be able to look professional but cute, and yes, she should be able to do so in the hope of catching the attention of someone age-appropriate who interests her. There's nothing wrong with that. And it isn't an invitation for old middle-aged men in the office to leer and gape at her, either.

2. You find her attractive. She would look attractive to you in most office-appropriate attire because she is young and beautiful, not because she is intentionally dressing to catch your gaze. Try to control yourself.

3. Again, she is no dressing for your attention! This is clear to everyone but you.

4. I'm the poster who worked in South Asia. Even though women covered, men still groped them, hotted and shrieked obscenities at them in public, and honor killings and assaults happened all the time. The prevailing attitude there was the same as the one you exhibit here: women wouldn't behave the way they do if they didn't want the attention. Those women were NOT inviting the attention, they were simply...existing as women. It's the same thing here. Leave this poor young woman alone. The invitation to ogle that you see is all in your head.

100%

I worked jobs in my early 20s where I wore the most unflattering clothes you can imagine and men still commented on my body. If you’re a young woman, you have to go far out of your way to dress in a way that’s not “like that” - even if you wear normal clothes, men will still assume you are dressing for them.

I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS"

I've worked in an office environment in DC since 1995 and have just one- ONCE- seen/heard a guy comment on a female coworkers looks. It was crude and about her @ss but that is it. Once.

No one here said women have to "endure gross catcalling" in a DC office, though. We're talking about middle aged men who think it is acceptable to ogle and make creepy comments to the young women. If you are also a man, I doubt you would have noticed this happening; behavior men seem to think is subtle is actually quite obvious to women, which is the problem here.

Good. So we are in agreement. It doesn't happen.

What's your point? The thread is about middle aged men ogling young women in the office. No one said anything about cat calling because that isn't what this thread is about.

This might confuse you but conversations evolve.

No, what confuses me is your random comment: "I call BS on this and all the other 'women have to endure gross catcalling BS.'"

You "call BS" on a topic that was not part of the original conversation at all. You can't "call BS" on something that no one else in the thread was talking about at all. This is not how "conversations evolve."

So you're just going to ignore the multi paragraph post from the lady who compared her harassment in SEA to here?

You really are a dunce.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this gross? Isn’t that why women dress like that? Want guys to look?

Nobody talked about how she's dressing.

She could just be a bombshell genetically, wearing gray turtlenecks and trying to be taken seriously and getting her work done.
I mean, we've all been there. She needs to advance and earn during these years. Leave her alone.

The OP says “who wears accentuating clothes.”

Lecherous men think everything is accentuating and meant for their eyes.

It's not. Quit being a pervert OP.

That’s nice. PP claimed “nobody talked about how she is dressing.” That was wrong. You can admit that instead of trying to change the subject to insulting men.