VEL 2025 Black Division

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

The post above is accurate with regards to the Indy boys. Nobody that has any real insight into the lax community throughout NOVA is going to say anything supportive about that program and its coaches and I think they are fine with that. The Indy parents have certainly been joined by other posters throughout many boards on this site posing as Indy supporters to stir the pot further. Doubt it goes anywhere anytime soon. Does make it easier to root for Riverside as they handle their business on the field as do the Madison, Robinson, YT etc...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

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It would be awesome of the Indy supporters or trolls could go dark for awhile, or if the moderator could start deleting Indy related posts. They tend to hijack otherwise worthwhile discussions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

This does sum it up nicely. I have a slightly different take and maybe not on the same page, but in the same chapter as you.

From my perspective, Independence has a good 25 and 26 class. The 26 class has been overhyped (since rec even) and my belief is the 25s are a better class for them.
I do believe it was some Indy 26 parents/players posting about a year or 2 ago about how great they were going to be. That seemed to die out, but was picked up by some non Independence player/parents.
Yes, coaches kid did and has had conduct issues in HS, VEL and club etc. From the video I saw he should have been kicked off the team but only got a game or two suspension.
I think all this things you see today are the non-Indy peeps just being idiots. I suspect it is the 26s at Riverside myself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

A very educated guess. Props to this fine poster for putting his PhD in Forumology to good use.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

VLC is a garbage program so it is probably them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

The post above is accurate with regards to the Indy boys. Nobody that has any real insight into the lax community throughout NOVA is going to say anything supportive about that program and its coaches and I think they are fine with that. The Indy parents have certainly been joined by other posters throughout many boards on this site posing as Indy supporters to stir the pot further. Doubt it goes anywhere anytime soon. Does make it easier to root for Riverside as they handle their business on the field as do the Madison, Robinson, YT etc...

Does everyone realize how ridiculous it is to compare Independence and Riverside. Honestly, Riverside doesn’t get mentioned enough for being an all-time Virginia power. 6 state championships in 8 years of existence is amazing. And they are getting disrespected for the past 2 years by people saying Independence is a better program. And honestly the lacrosse community in this area as a whole doesn’t either. Nobody cares.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

The post above is accurate with regards to the Indy boys. Nobody that has any real insight into the lax community throughout NOVA is going to say anything supportive about that program and its coaches and I think they are fine with that. The Indy parents have certainly been joined by other posters throughout many boards on this site posing as Indy supporters to stir the pot further. Doubt it goes anywhere anytime soon. Does make it easier to root for Riverside as they handle their business on the field as do the Madison, Robinson, YT etc...

Does everyone realize how ridiculous it is to compare Independence and Riverside. Honestly, Riverside doesn’t get mentioned enough for being an all-time Virginia power. 6 state championships in 8 years of existence is amazing. And they are getting disrespected for the past 2 years by people saying Independence is a better program. And honestly the lacrosse community in this area as a whole doesn’t either. Nobody cares.

Thanks Joe

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

The post above is accurate with regards to the Indy boys. Nobody that has any real insight into the lax community throughout NOVA is going to say anything supportive about that program and its coaches and I think they are fine with that. The Indy parents have certainly been joined by other posters throughout many boards on this site posing as Indy supporters to stir the pot further. Doubt it goes anywhere anytime soon. Does make it easier to root for Riverside as they handle their business on the field as do the Madison, Robinson, YT etc...

Does everyone realize how ridiculous it is to compare Independence and Riverside. Honestly, Riverside doesn’t get mentioned enough for being an all-time Virginia power. 6 state championships in 8 years of existence is amazing. And they are getting disrespected for the past 2 years by people saying Independence is a better program. And honestly the lacrosse community in this area as a whole doesn’t either. Nobody cares.

Thanks Joe

Who?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

The post above is accurate with regards to the Indy boys. Nobody that has any real insight into the lax community throughout NOVA is going to say anything supportive about that program and its coaches and I think they are fine with that. The Indy parents have certainly been joined by other posters throughout many boards on this site posing as Indy supporters to stir the pot further. Doubt it goes anywhere anytime soon. Does make it easier to root for Riverside as they handle their business on the field as do the Madison, Robinson, YT etc...

Does everyone realize how ridiculous it is to compare Independence and Riverside. Honestly, Riverside doesn’t get mentioned enough for being an all-time Virginia power. 6 state championships in 8 years of existence is amazing. And they are getting disrespected for the past 2 years by people saying Independence is a better program. And honestly the lacrosse community in this area as a whole doesn’t either. Nobody cares.

Good one Joe, really got them there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

VLC is a garbage program so it is probably them.

I agree and VLC's garbage has been slowly seeping into other programs especially in the 26 class. When posters on this forum talk about how terrible Independence is all I can think of is why are they so bad. It's a simple answer Pendence is a no good program due to the plethora of VLC players on there team. So any program attempting to hold themselves together with VLC players is doomed. So I look forward to watching the downfall of Dence with the rest of you all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many teams have kids that play football, and their coaches don't allow them to play in the league, even on a Sunday. Some kids have Fall Jobs on the weekends. Some programs aren't organized, or a change in the coaching staff leading to low numbers at registration.

VEL is a great opportunity to 1) play lacrosse, 2) transition from Middle School to JV, and JV to Varsity, 3) take on a new or bigger role within your program. 4) continue to work on your overall individual & team development. 5) create a bond with your teammates. 6) have fun and compete. Wins/Loses don't count towards anything in VEL, but you take back what your learning, seeing in these games and work on them this off-season to be a better team in the Spring.

We've been lucky for 13+ years that we have this consistent and affordable league each and every season for all the programs and players in this area.

Yes all of this.

Others find additional value in evaluating teams and players. Thank you for your opinion.

You can't tell much about a team when teams are incomplete, but good point about evaluating players. any particular players who made good showings?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

VLC is a garbage program so it is probably them.

I agree and VLC's garbage has been slowly seeping into other programs especially in the 26 class. When posters on this forum talk about how terrible Independence is all I can think of is why are they so bad. It's a simple answer Pendence is a no good program due to the plethora of VLC players on there team. So any program attempting to hold themselves together with VLC players is doomed. So I look forward to watching the downfall of Dence with the rest of you all.

OK thanks for outing yourself "anonymous" we all now know that the "pendence" dad is the same VLC hater dad who has been posting on here for years. Dude, we all know who you are. It is sad that you are this obsessed when not even connected to either program. Maybe we need a welfare check.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

VLC is a garbage program so it is probably them.

I agree and VLC's garbage has been slowly seeping into other programs especially in the 26 class. When posters on this forum talk about how terrible Independence is all I can think of is why are they so bad. It's a simple answer Pendence is a no good program due to the plethora of VLC players on there team. So any program attempting to hold themselves together with VLC players is doomed. So I look forward to watching the downfall of Dence with the rest of you all.

OK thanks for outing yourself "anonymous" we all now know that the "pendence" dad is the same VLC hater dad who has been posting on here for years. Dude, we all know who you are. It is sad that you are this obsessed when not even connected to either program. Maybe we need a welfare check.

Is there any chance a kid from Public School could make it to D1? Or is it pretty much setup that he would have to go to a private school? I was guessing if they are in a good club program that would help.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question - what is it about Independence that tends to take over all the HS threads with angry but often incomprehensible posts?

Last season there was a ton of Indy chatter about their 2026 class being great and how they were the team to beat. Some was serious and some of it was probably from people posing as Indy supporters, but it was over the top for a team that has never won anything, and became very annoying. Then Indy had a bunch of conduct incidents from one kid in particular and the board turned against them, which made the real/fake Indy supporters even more annoying. Then Riverside won yet again. Then this stupid Pendence stuff started this year from either real or fake Indy supporters which has made any lacrosse discussion that even remotely relates to Independence unbearable. That about sums it up.

Honestly it is not the Indy team or parents doing this "pendence" thing, at least in my opinion. My educated guess it is players most likely from Riverside or perhaps Briar Woods. More unlikely, it would be players who are 2026s in the club scene that play the Indy kids at VLC? maybe.

VLC is a garbage program so it is probably them.

I agree and VLC's garbage has been slowly seeping into other programs especially in the 26 class. When posters on this forum talk about how terrible Independence is all I can think of is why are they so bad. It's a simple answer Pendence is a no good program due to the plethora of VLC players on there team. So any program attempting to hold themselves together with VLC players is doomed. So I look forward to watching the downfall of Dence with the rest of you all.

OK thanks for outing yourself "anonymous" we all now know that the "pendence" dad is the same VLC hater dad who has been posting on here for years. Dude, we all know who you are. It is sad that you are this obsessed when not even connected to either program. Maybe we need a welfare check.

Is there any chance a kid from Public School could make it to D1? Or is it pretty much setup that he would have to go to a private school? I was guessing if they are in a good club program that would help.

Man, this is way off topic. There are ususally a couple every year. Two '23s from Lake Braddock went D1 - Penn State and Georgetown. Riverside has sent kids to UVA, Jacksonville. Yes, you need to be on a top club team to get to higher level D1.