Firing those who don’t RTO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

I assume you didn’t have a family or a personal life? Sounds unsustainable and isolating.

[Anonymous]

Don’t you have a life, OP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

So you’re jealous and a busybody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Humbled? How does that concern you? Did you get rejected for a job at Amazon?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

So you’re jealous and a busybody.

So you struggle with basic definitions and reading comprehension. Did WFH rot your mind?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

I think it’s very weird you have this manner of thinking and strongly advise you to seek therapy for your character defect.

I mean, wow. Is this mental illness of yours develop recently or have you always had such distorted thinking?

Glad you’re not a therapist. It’s clear you don’t know much about mental illness. In fact, you might look in the mirror, because your views are tone deaf.

I know enough to know you are cuckoo for coco puffs.

What a weird and offensive way you think. It’s completely psychotic.

Psychotic means you’re having hallucinations or distortions of reality, not a difference of opinion. Thanks for having fun at the expense of people with real problems.

PP here. No, it’s the correct term as OP is, in fact, experiencing a distortion in reality. Her thought process is completely distorted and dysfunctional.

To: 1) Be so inherently suspicious of others and assume the worst about them, especially when it doesn’t concern you; 2) Take perverse pleasure in something bad happening to them; and 3) Sharing those feelings with the world is just mental.

[Anonymous]

The fact that OP thinks Amazon is a model employer is jaw-dropping. This is a company that allegedly times employees’ bathroom breaks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/10/25/a-hard-hitting-investigative-report-into-amazon-shows-that-workers-needs-were-neglected-in-favor-of-getting-goods-delivered-quickly/

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/18/amazon-cited-by-osha-for-exposing-warehouse-workers-to-safety-hazards.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64384287

[Anonymous]

I would love anyone who can to WFH. Get off the roads! I have places to go!

[Anonymous]

They did this at my company too but then still had to do layoffs.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

I think it’s very weird you have this manner of thinking and strongly advise you to seek therapy for your character defect.

I mean, wow. Is this mental illness of yours develop recently or have you always had such distorted thinking?

Glad you’re not a therapist. It’s clear you don’t know much about mental illness. In fact, you might look in the mirror, because your views are tone deaf.

I know enough to know you are cuckoo for coco puffs.

What a weird and offensive way you think. It’s completely psychotic.

Psychotic means you’re having hallucinations or distortions of reality, not a difference of opinion. Thanks for having fun at the expense of people with real problems.

PP here. No, it’s the correct term as OP is, in fact, experiencing a distortion in reality. Her thought process is completely distorted and dysfunctional.

To: 1) Be so inherently suspicious of others and assume the worst about them, especially when it doesn’t concern you; 2) Take perverse pleasure in something bad happening to them; and 3) Sharing those feelings with the world is just mental.

Nice try, but you’re still not describing psychosis. You’re throwing a tantrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is no longer a high-performance company. It has been struggling for years. Not sure if that’s from WFH, but they seem stuck. I don’t see much innovation, just more of the same. Add another Prime Day. Faster delivery. Meanwhile, more off-brand crap. Without AWS, Amazon would already be dead or their stock price would be much, much lower as an e-commerce retailer only.

You say this like it's a new change. This has been Amazon for decades. Other than AWS, they're a terrible terrible company.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

I could say the same about people with kids who think the world revolves around their kids schedules - and everyone without kids should be picking up the slack when they dart out the door at 4:45 regardless of what's going on.

I may leave at 4:45pm (or, gasp, sometimes 3:45pm) but I log back on at 8:30pm because I am ambitious in my career. I support RTO but that does not mean I want to be subject to copious amounts of face time.

And someone on here will come and lecture you: "Just be aware, people who leave before 7 PM aren't going to be looked at when it comes to promotions. Of course you log back in at 8:30. We all do that."

Just like they say "Just be aware, people who work from home will never be promoted. They want people who actually make the effort to come to the office." And there was recently a "Just be aware, people who keep their cameras turned off will never be promoted compared to the cameras on."

Everyone should do what works for them and find an employer that has the desired flexibility or in-office culture that you want.

The essence of all those “just be aware” comments is that managers promote engaged, committed workers. If at every turn you’re trying to find a new way to slack, don’t expect good things to come your way. It’s totally common sense, but some people think their mere presence is sufficient for a promotion. I wish these people would just quit.

But also that there's also always someone pushing harder than you. PP who leaves at 3:45 and logs back on at 8:30 thinks she's working hard and smart, and I fully agree. But someone else is probably coming in earlier than she is, never ducking out for appointments and pick ups, and staying later while also working at night and being more willing to take last minute trips. Just as a hypothetical poster may think she's working hard and showing commitment by coming into the office for 8 hours 3x a week but someone else is coming in 9 hours 4x a week and someone else is doing 10 hours 5x a week. Yes, I agree that the more one is willing to sacrifice personal time to their job, the more likely they are to be promoted, but also be aware there's no end to what employers will take if you give it.

But what’s the point? I made career, Director level, making a little over $200K a year. DH is a VP, making about 250K.

I work from home and work a really reasonable schedule. If I added more hours to the work I just don’t know what that would do for my career… I don’t think just accomplishing more tasks gets me promoted any faster… I think if I wanted to make more money I would job hop a lot more and go for a bigger titles and things, but I really don’t see the point of that. It’s clear I’m never going to be the CEO of a company making millions of dollars a year, and posters reading this won’t either. I just don’t see the point in significantly reducing my quality of life and time with my family so that I could what…. make 50-100k more a year that I don’t need?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They did this at my company too but then still had to do layoffs.

+1 Yep ours too (F50 company)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that OP thinks Amazon is a model employer is jaw-dropping. This is a company that allegedly times employees’ bathroom breaks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/10/25/a-hard-hitting-investigative-report-into-amazon-shows-that-workers-needs-were-neglected-in-favor-of-getting-goods-delivered-quickly/

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/18/amazon-cited-by-osha-for-exposing-warehouse-workers-to-safety-hazards.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64384287

+ a billion

[Anonymous]

I’m way more productive wfh than in office where I feel the need to catch up with everyone and spend most of the day talking