Firing those who don’t RTO

[Anonymous]

This is why we can’t have nice things. The Oslo Accords were more productive and they failed, as we know all too well. RTO or WFH we live in a deeply unequal society that has minimal regard for life - all life. Let’s all try to do something kind today instead of diagnosing strangers with everything in the DSM-5 when they disagree with us about a hybrid schedule.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

So you’re jealous and a busybody.

So you struggle with basic definitions and reading comprehension. Did WFH rot your mind?

No, but jealousy has rotted yours. Enjoy your commute!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

Actually you can, especially if you don't have commute time in. Just because you cannot does not mean others can't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

Actually you can, especially if you don't have commute time in. Just because you cannot does not mean others can't.

The commute time irrelevant as that’s my time. When I lived 5 minutes from work or 5 hours I still did same work. Ironically when remote I work at best 30-60 minutes a day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

Actually you can, especially if you don't have commute time in. Just because you cannot does not mean others can't.

The commute time irrelevant as that’s my time. When I lived 5 minutes from work or 5 hours I still did same work. Ironically when remote I work at best 30-60 minutes a day.

Most people at Amazon have at least an hour commute. You seem to have a priority and other issues that many others don't have. For my spouse, they commute 2-2.5 hours a day. On WFH, they use that time working. At Amazon its very hard to slack off depending on your job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

If you think this is something to brag about, that's pathetic. You were clearly overworked, and if you value your time at all, you were most definitely underpaid. There is not enough money in this world to convince me to spend a year of my precious life in that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would love anyone who can to WFH. Get off the roads! I have places to go!

+1 I don’t understand people’s glee when others are forced back to the office. Traffic is bad enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

If you think this is something to brag about, that's pathetic. You were clearly overworked, and if you value your time at all, you were most definitely underpaid. There is not enough money in this world to convince me to spend a year of my precious life in that way.

And exactly what did I miss? I did not work weekends and I usually watch TV on weeknights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

If you think this is something to brag about, that's pathetic. You were clearly overworked, and if you value your time at all, you were most definitely underpaid. There is not enough money in this world to convince me to spend a year of my precious life in that way.

And exactly what did I miss? I did not work weekends and I usually watch TV on weeknights.

Then nothing. If you have no other commitments on weekdays then you may as well spend it working. For the vast majority of workers who have a partner, kids, etc it is not sustainable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

If you think this is something to brag about, that's pathetic. You were clearly overworked, and if you value your time at all, you were most definitely underpaid. There is not enough money in this world to convince me to spend a year of my precious life in that way.

And exactly what did I miss? I did not work weekends and I usually watch TV on weeknights.

You were not working those hours and no way if you had kids or a spouse you were watching tv weeknights. And, if you worked Amazon you’d be working many night, on your commute home and weekends. It’s a global company and the expectation is to work the hours of the customer so it’s not exactly a 9-5 office job. And, then add 2 hours commuting.

Amazon is trying to reduce staffing. Instead of laying off which they recently did they are now using this as an excuse to get rid of people. They are going to lose really good people. It’s sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

If you think this is something to brag about, that's pathetic. You were clearly overworked, and if you value your time at all, you were most definitely underpaid. There is not enough money in this world to convince me to spend a year of my precious life in that way.

And exactly what did I miss? I did not work weekends and I usually watch TV on weeknights.

This is so incredibly sad - truly, no snark. Even if you don't have a significant other or kids, the world is so much bigger than your job, and our time is so short. There are a million other things I'd do with a weeknight, from cooking and exercise to taking a class, to caring for a pet or volunteering, to calling a friend or reading a book. To say nothing of vacations to travel and see new things or distant family.

[Anonymous]

FYI, they broadened the criteria to PIP someone for non RTO, which could result in firing. There's nothing saying managers MUST do this, and for many, there is little incentive to fire their highest performing employees strictly for RTO non compliance, so don't get so giddy. Almost all divisions are severely understaffed and morale is low, so unless there is further guidance that managers MUST fire for this reason, I don't see it being as widespread a thing as top brass and the media are billing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+100
It's an extremely stressful environment with long hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

And for the 1 millionth time, forcing everyone to come to the office won't fix poor performers. Just fire the people who won't work and leave those who do alone so they can keep doing their work. This all sound like managers don't want to manage, to me. Fire them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+100
It's an extremely stressful environment with long hours.

I work for Amazon. I'm extremely confused why this person thinks an aggressive "up or out" culture and quotas for headcount reduction that even impacts solid but not outstanding performers has a bunch of lazy do nothings hanging around due to being home? Like...has she heard NOTHING about the (cut throat) culture?