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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time. [/quote]

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?[/quote]

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled. [/quote]

So, you're jealous?[/quote]

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces. [/quote]

I could say the same about people with kids who think the world revolves around their kids schedules - and everyone without kids should be picking up the slack when they dart out the door at 4:45 regardless of what's going on.[/quote]

I may leave at 4:45pm (or, gasp, sometimes 3:45pm) but I log back on at 8:30pm because I am ambitious in my career. I support RTO but that does not mean I want to be subject to copious amounts of face time.[/quote]

And someone on here will come and lecture you: "Just be aware, people who leave before 7 PM aren't going to be looked at when it comes to promotions. Of course you log back in at 8:30. We all do that."

Just like they say "Just be aware, people who work from home will never be promoted. They want people who actually make the effort to come to the office." And there was recently a "Just be aware, people who keep their cameras turned off will never be promoted compared to the cameras on."

Everyone should do what works for them and find an employer that has the desired flexibility or in-office culture that you want.[/quote]

The essence of all those “just be aware” comments is that managers promote engaged, committed workers. If at every turn you’re trying to find a new way to slack, don’t expect good things to come your way. It’s totally common sense, but some people think their mere presence is sufficient for a promotion. I wish these people would just quit. [/quote]

But also that there's also always someone pushing harder than you. PP who leaves at 3:45 and logs back on at 8:30 thinks she's working hard and smart, and I fully agree. But someone else is probably coming in earlier than she is, never ducking out for appointments and pick ups, and staying later while also working at night and being more willing to take last minute trips. Just as a hypothetical poster may think she's working hard and showing commitment by coming into the office for 8 hours 3x a week but someone else is coming in 9 hours 4x a week and someone else is doing 10 hours 5x a week. Yes, I agree that the more one is willing to sacrifice personal time to their job, the more likely they are to be promoted, but also be aware there's no end to what employers will take if you give it.[/quote]

But what’s the point? I made career, Director level, making a little over $200K a year. DH is a VP, making about 250K.

I work from home and work a really reasonable schedule. If I added more hours to the work I just don’t know what that would do for my career… I don’t think just accomplishing more tasks gets me promoted any faster… I think if I wanted to make more money I would job hop a lot more and go for a bigger titles and things, but I really don’t see the point of that. It’s clear I’m never going to be the CEO of a company making millions of dollars a year, and posters reading this won’t either. I just don’t see the point in significantly reducing my quality of life and time with my family so that I could what…. make 50-100k more a year that I don’t need? [/quote]

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