Firing those who don’t RTO

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+100
It's an extremely stressful environment with long hours.

I work for Amazon. I'm extremely confused why this person thinks an aggressive "up or out" culture and quotas for headcount reduction that even impacts solid but not outstanding performers has a bunch of lazy do nothings hanging around due to being home? Like...has she heard NOTHING about the (cut throat) culture?

I am married to someone who works for Amazon and I agree. High-stakes competitive places stuffed with extremely intelligent people won't have low performers flying under the radar. Those workers earn every penny. This is no way to live, but it's a topic of another conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

I hope you were saving lives or making the world a better place because no promotion is worth what you describe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon is no longer a high-performance company. It has been struggling for years. Not sure if that’s from WFH, but they seem stuck. I don’t see much innovation, just more of the same. Add another Prime Day. Faster delivery. Meanwhile, more off-brand crap. Without AWS, Amazon would already be dead or their stock price would be much, much lower as an e-commerce retailer only.

Cloud is big $$ with an expanding pie plus Amazon now gets a ton of specific searches with intent to buy. Their advertising business is growing thanks to those searches and their data. Ads should be an area of continued expansion. The ads business will have better margins than cloud and MUCH better than their general retail segment.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+1. The compensation is not great right now and a lot of people took huge paycuts with low stock prices. Layoffs mean those who are there are being asked to do more with less. I assure you, they've been humbled.

I'm a manager at Amazon and basically just tell people to get those badge swipes even if they go in, get a coffee and leave. We are spread out across the country so there is no team to work with and it's a distracting environment with terrible wifi.

Well this is honest. Do they just care about badging in? Not badging out? Look, Jeff Bezos is a jerk and I don’t think I own amazon stock so do what you gotta do!

You have to badge to get into and out of the building. They care this happens 3x a week. Theoretically, you can do this at 11.50 pm Monday and 12:15 am Tuesday and have been in 2x a week. If there is tracking beyond number of "days" it's not widely available even to fairly senior levels. The way the system still doesn't account for things like PTO I'm skeptical it exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+1. The compensation is not great right now and a lot of people took huge paycuts with low stock prices. Layoffs mean those who are there are being asked to do more with less. I assure you, they've been humbled.

I'm a manager at Amazon and basically just tell people to get those badge swipes even if they go in, get a coffee and leave. We are spread out across the country so there is no team to work with and it's a distracting environment with terrible wifi.

Well this is honest. Do they just care about badging in? Not badging out? Look, Jeff Bezos is a jerk and I don’t think I own amazon stock so do what you gotta do!

You have to badge to get into and out of the building. They care this happens 3x a week. Theoretically, you can do this at 11.50 pm Monday and 12:15 am Tuesday and have been in 2x a week. If there is tracking beyond number of "days" it's not widely available even to fairly senior levels. The way the system still doesn't account for things like PTO I'm skeptical it exists.

They can easily track when/who is working.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+1. The compensation is not great right now and a lot of people took huge paycuts with low stock prices. Layoffs mean those who are there are being asked to do more with less. I assure you, they've been humbled.

I'm a manager at Amazon and basically just tell people to get those badge swipes even if they go in, get a coffee and leave. We are spread out across the country so there is no team to work with and it's a distracting environment with terrible wifi.

Well this is honest. Do they just care about badging in? Not badging out? Look, Jeff Bezos is a jerk and I don’t think I own amazon stock so do what you gotta do!

You have to badge to get into and out of the building. They care this happens 3x a week. Theoretically, you can do this at 11.50 pm Monday and 12:15 am Tuesday and have been in 2x a week. If there is tracking beyond number of "days" it's not widely available even to fairly senior levels. The way the system still doesn't account for things like PTO I'm skeptical it exists.

They can easily track when/who is working.

Are they going to track whether they are wfh or not if they badged?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would love anyone who can to WFH. Get off the roads! I have places to go!

+1 I don’t understand people’s glee when others are forced back to the office. Traffic is bad enough.

+1

I have to work in person five days a week. I want as many people as possible to work from home!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Job hunting?

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+1. The compensation is not great right now and a lot of people took huge paycuts with low stock prices. Layoffs mean those who are there are being asked to do more with less. I assure you, they've been humbled.

I'm a manager at Amazon and basically just tell people to get those badge swipes even if they go in, get a coffee and leave. We are spread out across the country so there is no team to work with and it's a distracting environment with terrible wifi.

Well this is honest. Do they just care about badging in? Not badging out? Look, Jeff Bezos is a jerk and I don’t think I own amazon stock so do what you gotta do!

You have to badge to get into and out of the building. They care this happens 3x a week. Theoretically, you can do this at 11.50 pm Monday and 12:15 am Tuesday and have been in 2x a week. If there is tracking beyond number of "days" it's not widely available even to fairly senior levels. The way the system still doesn't account for things like PTO I'm skeptical it exists.

They can easily track when/who is working.

Are they going to track whether they are wfh or not if they badged?

They are trying to reduce the numbers. I suspect after they achieve what they want, they'll call it off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+100
It's an extremely stressful environment with long hours.

I work for Amazon. I'm extremely confused why this person thinks an aggressive "up or out" culture and quotas for headcount reduction that even impacts solid but not outstanding performers has a bunch of lazy do nothings hanging around due to being home? Like...has she heard NOTHING about the (cut throat) culture?

I am married to someone who works for Amazon and I agree. High-stakes competitive places stuffed with extremely intelligent people won't have low performers flying under the radar. Those workers earn every penny. This is no way to live, but it's a topic of another conversation.

Amazon has the crazy numbers games and performance evaluations. Managers have to burn a few people every year as they are allowed only so many good ratings. This isn't surprising but they will lose a lot of good people because of it.

[Anonymous]

They hired people who lived nowhere near offices and told them it was fine and there would never be RTO. Now many have to drive 2-3 hours each way to badge in because otherwise Amazon doesn’t get their tax write offs without butts in seat. And then they make you pay to park each day on top of it. My husband is a manager and most of his team is in other locations, so we had to get an apartment so he doesn’t lose his job for him to go in 3 days a week and find some space for privacy so he can talk remotely to people in other cities. It’s absolutely inane. The tech market sucks right now but you can bet he’s looking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They hired people who lived nowhere near offices and told them it was fine and there would never be RTO. Now many have to drive 2-3 hours each way to badge in because otherwise Amazon doesn’t get their tax write offs without butts in seat. And then they make you pay to park each day on top of it. My husband is a manager and most of his team is in other locations, so we had to get an apartment so he doesn’t lose his job for him to go in 3 days a week and find some space for privacy so he can talk remotely to people in other cities. It’s absolutely inane. The tech market sucks right now but you can bet he’s looking.

It will not last long. What sucks is those who were wfh before Covid now forced back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

I hope you were saving lives or making the world a better place because no promotion is worth what you describe.

I was. I love work. I love challenging projects that matter. I rather work 60 hours doing meaningful work I love that 10 hours of drudgery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

It's about half time. A little more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Do you work at Amazon, or are you an overly attached fan of middle managers?

Are there collectible trading cards?