Firing those who don’t RTO

[Anonymous]

The American way of working is so screwed up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

I could say the same about people with kids who think the world revolves around their kids schedules - and everyone without kids should be picking up the slack when they dart out the door at 4:45 regardless of what's going on.

I may leave at 4:45pm (or, gasp, sometimes 3:45pm) but I log back on at 8:30pm because I am ambitious in my career. I support RTO but that does not mean I want to be subject to copious amounts of face time.

And someone on here will come and lecture you: "Just be aware, people who leave before 7 PM aren't going to be looked at when it comes to promotions. Of course you log back in at 8:30. We all do that."

Just like they say "Just be aware, people who work from home will never be promoted. They want people who actually make the effort to come to the office." And there was recently a "Just be aware, people who keep their cameras turned off will never be promoted compared to the cameras on."

Everyone should do what works for them and find an employer that has the desired flexibility or in-office culture that you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

I could say the same about people with kids who think the world revolves around their kids schedules - and everyone without kids should be picking up the slack when they dart out the door at 4:45 regardless of what's going on.

I may leave at 4:45pm (or, gasp, sometimes 3:45pm) but I log back on at 8:30pm because I am ambitious in my career. I support RTO but that does not mean I want to be subject to copious amounts of face time.

And someone on here will come and lecture you: "Just be aware, people who leave before 7 PM aren't going to be looked at when it comes to promotions. Of course you log back in at 8:30. We all do that."

Just like they say "Just be aware, people who work from home will never be promoted. They want people who actually make the effort to come to the office." And there was recently a "Just be aware, people who keep their cameras turned off will never be promoted compared to the cameras on."

Everyone should do what works for them and find an employer that has the desired flexibility or in-office culture that you want.

The essence of all those “just be aware” comments is that managers promote engaged, committed workers. If at every turn you’re trying to find a new way to slack, don’t expect good things to come your way. It’s totally common sense, but some people think their mere presence is sufficient for a promotion. I wish these people would just quit.

[Anonymous]

I bet a million dollars none of younposting here do anything that’s even worth doing, let alone worth committing your entire life to.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

I could say the same about people with kids who think the world revolves around their kids schedules - and everyone without kids should be picking up the slack when they dart out the door at 4:45 regardless of what's going on.

I may leave at 4:45pm (or, gasp, sometimes 3:45pm) but I log back on at 8:30pm because I am ambitious in my career. I support RTO but that does not mean I want to be subject to copious amounts of face time.

And someone on here will come and lecture you: "Just be aware, people who leave before 7 PM aren't going to be looked at when it comes to promotions. Of course you log back in at 8:30. We all do that."

Just like they say "Just be aware, people who work from home will never be promoted. They want people who actually make the effort to come to the office." And there was recently a "Just be aware, people who keep their cameras turned off will never be promoted compared to the cameras on."

Everyone should do what works for them and find an employer that has the desired flexibility or in-office culture that you want.

All else equal this is probably true. But if you have someone with really good technical or other skills they can often overcome this

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Whose rules?

And have you always been a sheep?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Slackers are slackers no matter what.

Right? You can be a slacker who goes to the office every day. Had one of those in my department even before the shutdown.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

So, you're jealous?

This is a common, overused retort by the chronic WFH/remote work promoters.

Jealousy means you want it too. I don’t want it.

What I want is a functioning workplace where everyone is accountable and carries their weight. I’m not going to get into a food fight about the productivity and availability of those who WFH, but it’s lacking relative to in-office peers. Thus, the frustration is not jealousy, but justice. I’m tired of co-workers half-a$$ing their job, getting paid obnoxiously well, and leaving their work for others. If the WFH crowd has suddenly discovered that the meaning of life is to screw their employers and peers and dig ever deeper into the pay/benefits cookie jar, then I support their dismissal. They’re no longer a team player and shouldn’t enjoy the fruits the team produces.

I could say the same about people with kids who think the world revolves around their kids schedules - and everyone without kids should be picking up the slack when they dart out the door at 4:45 regardless of what's going on.

I may leave at 4:45pm (or, gasp, sometimes 3:45pm) but I log back on at 8:30pm because I am ambitious in my career. I support RTO but that does not mean I want to be subject to copious amounts of face time.

And someone on here will come and lecture you: "Just be aware, people who leave before 7 PM aren't going to be looked at when it comes to promotions. Of course you log back in at 8:30. We all do that."

Just like they say "Just be aware, people who work from home will never be promoted. They want people who actually make the effort to come to the office." And there was recently a "Just be aware, people who keep their cameras turned off will never be promoted compared to the cameras on."

Everyone should do what works for them and find an employer that has the desired flexibility or in-office culture that you want.

The essence of all those “just be aware” comments is that managers promote engaged, committed workers. If at every turn you’re trying to find a new way to slack, don’t expect good things to come your way. It’s totally common sense, but some people think their mere presence is sufficient for a promotion. I wish these people would just quit.

But also that there's also always someone pushing harder than you. PP who leaves at 3:45 and logs back on at 8:30 thinks she's working hard and smart, and I fully agree. But someone else is probably coming in earlier than she is, never ducking out for appointments and pick ups, and staying later while also working at night and being more willing to take last minute trips. Just as a hypothetical poster may think she's working hard and showing commitment by coming into the office for 8 hours 3x a week but someone else is coming in 9 hours 4x a week and someone else is doing 10 hours 5x a week. Yes, I agree that the more one is willing to sacrifice personal time to their job, the more likely they are to be promoted, but also be aware there's no end to what employers will take if you give it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Whose rules?

And have you always been a sheep?

I guess Amazon’s. They told you to RTO 3days/week. Apparently, some think they can look the other way without consequence. I guess they’re about to find out if giving the middle finger to their paycheck is a good idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Humbled?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Whose rules?

And have you always been a sheep?

I guess Amazon’s. They told you to RTO 3days/week. Apparently, some think they can look the other way without consequence. I guess they’re about to find out if giving the middle finger to their paycheck is a good idea.

They should all stand together and not come in and see if they'll really be fired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Whose rules?

And have you always been a sheep?

I guess Amazon’s. They told you to RTO 3days/week. Apparently, some think they can look the other way without consequence. I guess they’re about to find out if giving the middle finger to their paycheck is a good idea.

They should all stand together and not come in and see if they'll really be fired.

Maybe Amazon will report bad earnings next week and employee stock compensation will go to zero. The workers will complain. Amazon will say, “It’s what you earned while WFH. Enjoy your new lower wage.”

[Anonymous]

Amazon is no longer a high-performance company. It has been struggling for years. Not sure if that’s from WFH, but they seem stuck. I don’t see much innovation, just more of the same. Add another Prime Day. Faster delivery. Meanwhile, more off-brand crap. Without AWS, Amazon would already be dead or their stock price would be much, much lower as an e-commerce retailer only.

[Anonymous]

I worked in year I got my biggest promotion 8 am to 8pm 70 weeks straight without a single vacation day or sick day or ever being late. My team of three was l leading a 250 person project with a hard deadline.

I left home at 640am and got home 915 pm.

You can’t get work done like this remote. All 250 of us were working long hours.

I like remote but I can’t do it in these type of projects. It was worth it and would do it again. I learned 10 years worth of things in 70 weeks.

Remote drags everyone to mediocre.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazon just gave its managers authority to fire workers who won’t RTO 3 days/week. It’s about time.

Why do you care about Amazon? Do you work there or something?

Don’t work there. It’s just an example of a company that pays great overall compensation, yet many workers seem to take it for granted. Same for other FANG and similar jobs. The people who work these jobs seem to think they’re a special class to whom the rules don’t apply. It’s time they’re humbled.

Actually the compensation is just ok, especially for the amount of hours most work. They are going to lose a lot of good people.

+1. The compensation is not great right now and a lot of people took huge paycuts with low stock prices. Layoffs mean those who are there are being asked to do more with less. I assure you, they've been humbled.

I'm a manager at Amazon and basically just tell people to get those badge swipes even if they go in, get a coffee and leave. We are spread out across the country so there is no team to work with and it's a distracting environment with terrible wifi.

Well this is honest. Do they just care about badging in? Not badging out? Look, Jeff Bezos is a jerk and I don’t think I own amazon stock so do what you gotta do!