Elon vs U of Richmond

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The urge to put down Elon tells us what we already know, Elon is on the rise and for some inexplicable reason people seem threatened by that.

Yes we wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat - Elon is gonna get us!

Then why bash it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The urge to put down Elon tells us what we already know, Elon is on the rise and for some inexplicable reason people seem threatened by that.

Yes we wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat - Elon is gonna get us!

Then why bash it?

Not bashing it. It is what it is. And it’s not Richmond. And it’s not basically just as good as Richmond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The urge to put down Elon tells us what we already know, Elon is on the rise and for some inexplicable reason people seem threatened by that.

Yes we wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat - Elon is gonna get us!

Then why bash it?

Not bashing it. It is what it is. And it’s not Richmond. And it’s not basically just as good as Richmond.

Sure

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

Anecdotal evidence, data, common sense. Don’t let any of this get in the way of thinking Elon is the best college ever!

Btw acceptance rate is 78 percent. Richmond is 29 pct.

Elon is 2x as big as UR and has 1/10th the endowment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like OP's kid is a junior looking at schools, not a senior deciding between 2 schools. To the extent your child is looking for a mid-size school on the east coast with decent weather, these two do make a lot of sense. I doubt those CDS statistics are accurate for either school in 2023. Richmond is a hard admit and Elon has become increasingly difficult. Elon is more affordable (and has some very attractive merit aid programs), and to the extent one cares about USNWR rankings, I find Elon's rankings for undergraduate teaching and innovation impressive. I also think the learning communities sound like a good way to build a cohesive campus. OP - your DC should visit both and likely apply to both.

+1. I got the feeling OP's kid is a junior too. The kid should definitely apply to both - why not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

Anecdotal evidence, data, common sense. Don’t let any of this get in the way of thinking Elon is the best college ever!

Btw acceptance rate is 78 percent. Richmond is 29 pct.

Elon is 2x as big as UR and has 1/10th the endowment.

Despite this hyperbole, nobody has claimed Elon is the best college ever. Similarly, the argument that UR is superior seems weak as acceptance rates can be gamed and restricted endowments don't affect the average student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Isn’t Elon twice the size of U of R? Elon has a good communications and theatre program. Richmond has a good business program. Richmond is more diverse, both seem to attract rich students, both have a strong Greek culture, both feel isolated to me but Elon more so. Elon receives good reviews for its study abroad program and first year experience. Richmond is more selective. I feel they will attract the same pool of applicants one as a safety and the other as a likely

[Anonymous]

The University of Richmond is a wealthy school with respect to overall endowment and endowment per student. Not so regarding Elon. Endowments make a difference regarding facilities, professors, and upkeep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The University of Richmond is a wealthy school with respect to overall endowment and endowment per student. Not so regarding Elon. Endowments make a difference regarding facilities, professors, and upkeep.

If this is true, please show us specific examples of better facilities, professors, and upkeep at UR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The University of Richmond is a wealthy school with respect to overall endowment and endowment per student. Not so regarding Elon. Endowments make a difference regarding facilities, professors, and upkeep.

If this is true, please show us specific examples of better facilities, professors, and upkeep at UR.

One place it does seem to make a difference is class size. Richmond has 74% of its classes under 20, and 99% under 30. Elon has only 51% under 20 and 83% under 30. Both are at 0% for classes over 50, which is nice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

Anecdotal evidence, data, common sense. Don’t let any of this get in the way of thinking Elon is the best college ever!

Btw acceptance rate is 78 percent. Richmond is 29 pct.

Elon is 2x as big as UR and has 1/10th the endowment.

Despite this hyperbole, nobody has claimed Elon is the best college ever. Similarly, the argument that UR is superior seems weak as acceptance rates can be gamed and restricted endowments don't affect the average student.

OMG, this is like arguing with a child. Nevertheless, I persist. I see what you are doing here. You are making one absurd claim (Elon is the best school ever) and equating it to another entirely reasonable claim (UR is superior to Elon) in a weak attempt to make both claims seem ridiculous.

This is like debating whether Harvard is better than Univ of Tennessee Chatanooga.

It's pretty hard to game a 40 percentage difference in acceptance rates. High quality students are getting rejected left and right from UR. The only ones who seem to get rejected from Elon are yield management kids (who probably aren't even rejected just wailtlisted pending expressions of interest, ergo not accepted) or maybe terrible students who need aid. Would love to see an example of one full pay kid who is half way decent who was rejected from Elon because he didn't meet their standards.

As far as endowment, have you noticed all the super highly ranked schools have massive endowments per student? This is because endowments kick off a ton of cash that gets used on the student experience and fund the operating budgets of the schools including financial aid budgets. A good school is more than just the size of its endowment, but in general, the more money you have to work with, the better your school should be.

Have you ever been to UR? It's like a Ritz Carlton. They are swimming in money and that is why the school has improved so much over the years. Richmond's endowment is third largest among LACs behind Williams and Amherst. Granted, the school is larger, but UR really has a surprisingly large endowment. Elon by contrast is cash strapped and relies overwhelmingly on tuition revenue to fund operations. Richmond endowment per student is roughly 20x Elon's for goodness sake! They are not peers! One school is hard to get in, the other is easy! They are not peers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

Anecdotal evidence, data, common sense. Don’t let any of this get in the way of thinking Elon is the best college ever!

Btw acceptance rate is 78 percent. Richmond is 29 pct.

Elon is 2x as big as UR and has 1/10th the endowment.

Despite this hyperbole, nobody has claimed Elon is the best college ever. Similarly, the argument that UR is superior seems weak as acceptance rates can be gamed and restricted endowments don't affect the average student.

OMG, this is like arguing with a child. Nevertheless, I persist. I see what you are doing here. You are making one absurd claim (Elon is the best school ever) and equating it to another entirely reasonable claim (UR is superior to Elon) in a weak attempt to make both claims seem ridiculous.

This is like debating whether Harvard is better than Univ of Tennessee Chatanooga.

It's pretty hard to game a 40 percentage difference in acceptance rates. High quality students are getting rejected left and right from UR. The only ones who seem to get rejected from Elon are yield management kids (who probably aren't even rejected just wailtlisted pending expressions of interest, ergo not accepted) or maybe terrible students who need aid. Would love to see an example of one full pay kid who is half way decent who was rejected from Elon because he didn't meet their standards.

As far as endowment, have you noticed all the super highly ranked schools have massive endowments per student? This is because endowments kick off a ton of cash that gets used on the student experience and fund the operating budgets of the schools including financial aid budgets. A good school is more than just the size of its endowment, but in general, the more money you have to work with, the better your school should be.

Have you ever been to UR? It's like a Ritz Carlton. They are swimming in money and that is why the school has improved so much over the years. Richmond's endowment is third largest among LACs behind Williams and Amherst. Granted, the school is larger, but UR really has a surprisingly large endowment. Elon by contrast is cash strapped and relies overwhelmingly on tuition revenue to fund operations. Richmond endowment per student is roughly 20x Elon's for goodness sake! They are not peers! One school is hard to get in, the other is easy! They are not peers!

Is your temper tantrum over now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

Anecdotal evidence, data, common sense. Don’t let any of this get in the way of thinking Elon is the best college ever!

Btw acceptance rate is 78 percent. Richmond is 29 pct.

Elon is 2x as big as UR and has 1/10th the endowment.

Despite this hyperbole, nobody has claimed Elon is the best college ever. Similarly, the argument that UR is superior seems weak as acceptance rates can be gamed and restricted endowments don't affect the average student.

OMG, this is like arguing with a child. Nevertheless, I persist. I see what you are doing here. You are making one absurd claim (Elon is the best school ever) and equating it to another entirely reasonable claim (UR is superior to Elon) in a weak attempt to make both claims seem ridiculous.

This is like debating whether Harvard is better than Univ of Tennessee Chatanooga.

It's pretty hard to game a 40 percentage difference in acceptance rates. High quality students are getting rejected left and right from UR. The only ones who seem to get rejected from Elon are yield management kids (who probably aren't even rejected just wailtlisted pending expressions of interest, ergo not accepted) or maybe terrible students who need aid. Would love to see an example of one full pay kid who is half way decent who was rejected from Elon because he didn't meet their standards.

As far as endowment, have you noticed all the super highly ranked schools have massive endowments per student? This is because endowments kick off a ton of cash that gets used on the student experience and fund the operating budgets of the schools including financial aid budgets. A good school is more than just the size of its endowment, but in general, the more money you have to work with, the better your school should be.

Have you ever been to UR? It's like a Ritz Carlton. They are swimming in money and that is why the school has improved so much over the years. Richmond's endowment is third largest among LACs behind Williams and Amherst. Granted, the school is larger, but UR really has a surprisingly large endowment. Elon by contrast is cash strapped and relies overwhelmingly on tuition revenue to fund operations. Richmond endowment per student is roughly 20x Elon's for goodness sake! They are not peers! One school is hard to get in, the other is easy! They are not peers!

Is your temper tantrum over now?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll be an outlier here and say Elon. Richmond has a better name but the crime is an issue.

U of Richmond is practically in a gated community. If you've ever been there you know, it's in the suburbs and surrounded by gorgeous mansions. Yes you can go into Richmond proper but trust me, not much crime is happening out near the campus.

I said Richmond 100% and I am not the least bit threatened by Elon, it's a perfectly good school for the good students (like 4.0 W) at our high school. I know several people there. It's small and boring and I know more than one kid who had alot of trouble finding a job after graduating so seemed to me that they didn't go a great job preparing their students for post grad life.

Yeah, and I know a student who went to Elon and just graduated from med school. Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much.

Anecdotal evidence, data, common sense. Don’t let any of this get in the way of thinking Elon is the best college ever!

Btw acceptance rate is 78 percent. Richmond is 29 pct.

Elon is 2x as big as UR and has 1/10th the endowment.

Despite this hyperbole, nobody has claimed Elon is the best college ever. Similarly, the argument that UR is superior seems weak as acceptance rates can be gamed and restricted endowments don't affect the average student.

OMG, this is like arguing with a child. Nevertheless, I persist. I see what you are doing here. You are making one absurd claim (Elon is the best school ever) and equating it to another entirely reasonable claim (UR is superior to Elon) in a weak attempt to make both claims seem ridiculous.

This is like debating whether Harvard is better than Univ of Tennessee Chatanooga.

It's pretty hard to game a 40 percentage difference in acceptance rates. High quality students are getting rejected left and right from UR. The only ones who seem to get rejected from Elon are yield management kids (who probably aren't even rejected just wailtlisted pending expressions of interest, ergo not accepted) or maybe terrible students who need aid. Would love to see an example of one full pay kid who is half way decent who was rejected from Elon because he didn't meet their standards.

As far as endowment, have you noticed all the super highly ranked schools have massive endowments per student? This is because endowments kick off a ton of cash that gets used on the student experience and fund the operating budgets of the schools including financial aid budgets. A good school is more than just the size of its endowment, but in general, the more money you have to work with, the better your school should be.

Have you ever been to UR? It's like a Ritz Carlton. They are swimming in money and that is why the school has improved so much over the years. Richmond's endowment is third largest among LACs behind Williams and Amherst. Granted, the school is larger, but UR really has a surprisingly large endowment. Elon by contrast is cash strapped and relies overwhelmingly on tuition revenue to fund operations. Richmond endowment per student is roughly 20x Elon's for goodness sake! They are not peers! One school is hard to get in, the other is easy! They are not peers!

Is your temper tantrum over now?

+1

Perhaps. I find it very frustrating when people insist on drawing false equivalencies. Like oh McDonalds=Union Square Cafe. No it doesn’t!